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braille input/display on iPad (self.Blind)
submitted 8y ago by altmediapcc
Hello,
I am an alt media specialist, who is having trouble identifying what's going on with my student and his technology.
I'm trying to get him to type a capital letter (part of his password) into a textbox using his braille display, but I can't figure out which language the input should be.
It seems like it's CBC, because he's typing (presumably) dot 6 and getting a comma before a letter he wants to capitalize when he emails me. I suggested he try dots 4-5-6 to see if that works, and he is either refusing or misunderstanding me.
My questions:
* What language is input using a braille keyboard on an iPad? (or, perhaps, which options are there for languages. the options I see are uncontracted 6 dot, uncontracted 8 dot, and contracted braille. Is "6 dot uncontracted" the same as "grade one" and "contracted" the same as UEB? what about 8 dot?
* Pretend his password is Abc123, would it be the following?
dot 4-5-6 a b c drop a drop b drop c?
* Is there a formal way to write the braille I'm asking him to type to make sure he's not misunderstanding?
Sorry, probably a stupid question, but we've been going around on this for about 2 weeks now.
Thanks,
I am an alt media specialist, who is having trouble identifying what's going on with my student and his technology.
I'm trying to get him to type a capital letter (part of his password) into a textbox using his braille display, but I can't figure out which language the input should be.
It seems like it's CBC, because he's typing (presumably) dot 6 and getting a comma before a letter he wants to capitalize when he emails me. I suggested he try dots 4-5-6 to see if that works, and he is either refusing or misunderstanding me.
My questions:
* What language is input using a braille keyboard on an iPad? (or, perhaps, which options are there for languages. the options I see are uncontracted 6 dot, uncontracted 8 dot, and contracted braille. Is "6 dot uncontracted" the same as "grade one" and "contracted" the same as UEB? what about 8 dot?
* Pretend his password is Abc123, would it be the following?
dot 4-5-6 a b c drop a drop b drop c?
* Is there a formal way to write the braille I'm asking him to type to make sure he's not misunderstanding?
Sorry, probably a stupid question, but we've been going around on this for about 2 weeks now.
Thanks,
fastfinge 3 points
Hi:
6 dot uncontracted is grade 1, contracted is what we in Canada call grade 2. I've never heard the term UEB, so I can't help you with that. Eight-dot Braille is often called "computer Braille", and probably isn't what you want.
Your best bet for specific help with an iPad is probably the website $1. I don't own a Braille display myself, so I've never used Braille on my iPhone.
6 dot uncontracted is grade 1, contracted is what we in Canada call grade 2. I've never heard the term UEB, so I can't help you with that. Eight-dot Braille is often called "computer Braille", and probably isn't what you want.
Your best bet for specific help with an iPad is probably the website $1. I don't own a Braille display myself, so I've never used Braille on my iPhone.
altmediapcc [OP] 1 points
Thank you, this is pretty much what I needed.
UEB is Unified English Braille, which has recently been accepted as the new standard for braille by the Braille Authority of North America. It does away with some of the shortcuts, but it reads very similarly to Grade 2 (it's to modernize the language, kinda replaces computer braille code as well as BANA Grade 2)
UEB is Unified English Braille, which has recently been accepted as the new standard for braille by the Braille Authority of North America. It does away with some of the shortcuts, but it reads very similarly to Grade 2 (it's to modernize the language, kinda replaces computer braille code as well as BANA Grade 2)
fastfinge 2 points
{sarcasm} Oh, good. I'm so glad they decided to change the Braille standard without, apparently, consulting any blind adults currently using Braille, or even telling us after the fact, or offering any classes about the differences. I happily await receiving Braille documents from the government that I can no longer read. {end sarcasm}
OK, sorry for the rant. But this kind of top-down nonsense is one of my largest problems with nearly all blindness organizations. If some NGO randomly decided to change the shape of the print letter q and re-introduce the þorn character, nobody would hear the end of it. But apparently Braille standards can just be changed at a whim. Admittedly, I don't follow anything like The Braille forum or any of the various organizations involved, but I shouldn't have to. I learned Braille in school, so if they're going to change it, they have a responsibility to engage in a massive public awareness campaign. Where are the Google ads, Facebook posts, newsletters from my local Braille library, etc, etc, etc? Apparently Canada silently adopted UEB way back in 2010, without ever actually telling anyone.
blah. OK. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. I'll shut up, now. Sorry for shooting the messenger.
OK, sorry for the rant. But this kind of top-down nonsense is one of my largest problems with nearly all blindness organizations. If some NGO randomly decided to change the shape of the print letter q and re-introduce the þorn character, nobody would hear the end of it. But apparently Braille standards can just be changed at a whim. Admittedly, I don't follow anything like The Braille forum or any of the various organizations involved, but I shouldn't have to. I learned Braille in school, so if they're going to change it, they have a responsibility to engage in a massive public awareness campaign. Where are the Google ads, Facebook posts, newsletters from my local Braille library, etc, etc, etc? Apparently Canada silently adopted UEB way back in 2010, without ever actually telling anyone.
blah. OK. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. I'll shut up, now. Sorry for shooting the messenger.
altmediapcc [OP] 2 points
Ha, I'm in particular in favor of reintroducing þe þorn because it will annoy so many people.
UEB is more important in schools because that is where it's being implemented first, you'll probably be 10 years before you really have to worry about it (and even then, it's not likely to make a huge difference to most people).
UEB is more important in schools because that is where it's being implemented first, you'll probably be 10 years before you really have to worry about it (and even then, it's not likely to make a huge difference to most people).
fastfinge 1 points
Good to know. I did go off to my local library to see what they were doing about new Braille books, and discovered they $1 for downloading daisy books directly to IOS 4 months ago. So while I'm still slightly cranky, at least that was a nice unrelated surprise. LOL.
Marconius 2 points
I am unsure as to what dots 456 due to the following letters apart from being a grade two contraction… if you are inputting uncontracted 6 dot braille, that would be grade 1, so a capital letter would be preceded by dot 6. Use the dot 3456 number symbol to input numbers and then try using the dot 56 letter symbol to input letters.
UEB is unified English braille and is a language selectable within The voiceover Braille language options. It has new rules for grade 2 but I figure grade 1 would be better suited for passwords.
UEB is unified English braille and is a language selectable within The voiceover Braille language options. It has new rules for grade 2 but I figure grade 1 would be better suited for passwords.
stupidpoopoohead 2 points
You may have better luck posting this question to one of the Facebook groups for TVI's.
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