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Sighted person question - should I have asked 2 blind boys if they needed directions? Details inside. (self.Blind)
submitted 7y ago by J_for_Jules
I had a unique situation this afternoon at work. I work in an urban area and my particular building connects to other buildings with walkways over the street. It's filled with a lot of restaurants and shops. It's confusing to get around in for anyone with all the different routes. Lots of people traffic at all times.

As I was coming back in from a smoke break, I noticed 2 blind boys, about 12-13 years old. They both had dark glasses on and were walking with canes. They were by themselves as far as I could tell.

The kids had come up from my building's lobby area, so I knew they came in the 'wrong' way if they wanted to go to the restaurants or stores. They were walking very slowly and seemed hesitant.

Given their age and the environment, I wanted to be like a friendly resident of the area and offer directions.

Would it have been inappropriate to say, 'Hey guys, welcome to the building. Are you going anyway specific I can help you with? It's confusing here.'

What should I do if it happens again with another blind person?
fastfinge 1 points
Based on there age, it sounds like they might have also been doing an orientation and mobility lesson. An adult teacher may have been watching them from a ways back. In my experience, many orientation and mobility teachers will stay quite far back, so they stay out of ear shot. That way, the blind student can't get clues from the way the teacher is moving, etc. The lesson may have been something along the lines of "starting from hear, find the coffee shop we learned the location of last week." Once the student or students have done that, then they and the teacher will talk about what went right, and if they got lost, how they did in recovering from that problem. It's always good to get lost during a lesson, because if you're a blind person, you're going to get lost quite a bit during real life. So one of the most important things we learn is how to find our way again. Also, many O&M teachers like to stay back because learning to politely ask for help, or politely refuse help that is offered, is another important lesson that might not happen if the teacher is visibly there.
J_for_Jules [OP] 2 points
This makes a lot of sense. There's actually a hotel lobby on the 2nd level so the teacher would have had a perfect aerial view of the boys walking around.

edit: I'm assuming the teacher is sighted?
fastfinge 1 points
Yes, in my experience, the teacher is always sighted.
geoffisblind 1 points
Most of mine were sighted but I think it varies... I first got training from people who were visually impaired as well and it was good training but they were kind of limited in terms of what they could do. I think I got more from the sighted O&Ms that I worked with. They were able to give me the driver's point of view on things which helped me understand why drivers behave in certain ways at intersections. They also had the ability to do monitored "drop" lessons. This essentially meant getting in the car to go off to a lesson and then she would pull over, tell me to get out, and tell me where to meet her with no other information given. She was then able to watch what I did and could give me an analysis of what I did right and what I did wrong once I reached the destination. This was super helpful. When I was with visually impaired instructors they had to stick really close to me to know what I was doing. On the flip side visually impaired instructors really know what it's like to travel with a visual impairment because they do it on a daily basis and have personal insight on different issues. Both work well for different reasons. I think most O&Ms are sighted though at least from my experience.
geoffisblind 2 points
I was also thinking this could be a factor. My O&Ms always stayed a pretty good distance away from me when I was training so I wouldn't get queues from them. It seems like a pretty standard practice.
geoffisblind 1 points
I think it kind of varies from situation to situation. Given their age I could see a reason why you'd want to check but I don't necessarily think it's bad that you didn't. I probably look confused when I'm trying to get my bearings but it doesn't always mean I don't know what I'm doing. Most people I know, myself included will ask if assistance is needed. If they weren't asking for assistance you are probably fine, but the age thing is a unique situation I guess. Kind of difficult to answer that one.

 

In the future with other blind/ visually impaired individuals traveling with a mobility aid I would just let them figure it out. Every time I've needed help I've asked for it and I frequently find that people offering help slows me down because I don't want to be rude but I don't need the assistance and I also have places to go. By far my least favorite way that people interact with me is by grabbing me. This happens frequently on public transit where it is assumed I can't figure it out how to board a bus/ train so I'll get dragged in by someone. This is a major safety issue for me for a lot of reasons and sets off some major alarms, and it is very disorienting. You don't seem like the kind of person who would do that though. Mostly I would just say let the people you see do their thing, if they are traveling independently they probably know what they are doing. Like a lot of people I've received professional training on orientation and mobility and I've learned the skills necessary to get around with impaired vision by myself. You learn to adapt :)

 

So yeah, I don't even really know what I would do in your situation with the kids, sorry I can't really answer that super well, I don't think you did anything wrong in this situation though if that helps. Hope the other part helped though, thanks for asking :)
impablomations 1 points
> By far my least favorite way that people interact with me is by grabbing m

I had a nurse do this to me the other week, had to bite my tongue not to say anything.

I'm guessing she saw my white can and assumed I was 100% blind.

When my name was called I stood up for my appt and made my way towards the consulting room and she just grabbed my arm and tried to 'push' me in the right direction, without even asking.

I also use a walking stick which I lean on heavily so she almost pushed me off balance and had to quickly rip my arm away from her to steady myself.

What makes it worse is that this was a nurse in a bloody eye department so she should have known better.
geoffisblind 1 points
Oh I feel you. Medical staff can go either way in my experience but at an eye department, seriously? You'd think they would be more cognizant of independence and O&M issues. I went to go see my doctor for a regular physical and I arrived into the office and checked in, a volunteer grabbed my arm to guide me to my seat and I wanted to say "You know, I figured out how to get here on the bus, got in the building, and found your department, do you really think I can't problem solve my way to a seat?" I really don't mind people asking, and I will ask if I need it, but I really dislike people touching me without any kind of warning. I even wouldn't have minded if he had walked me over to the seats but minus the grabbing. I haven't mentioned it to anyone who's done that at a doctor's office yet though.

 

One of my O&Ms a while ago taught me this thing, I think it's called the Hind's Break or the Hind's Maneuver. Basically if they grab your arm and you take your other arm and grab their arm a little above the elbow, this usually kind of catches people off guard and they will loosen up that you can gently tug your arm out of their grip and then you are in control of their arm and can kind of push off. The whole point of this is that you can separate but it doesn't feel to the person like you are aggressively pushing them away, you can kind of slip out. That's how he explained it at least.

 

I have a particular problem on public transit with people trying to help me on to buses or trains, and it's a major safety issue because I don't know who they are or if they really are just trying to help. This is aside from the fact that it's super invasive and that I am fully capable of managing on my own. The other maneuver that was taught to me by this one O&M is twisting my arm towards their thumb until it breaks or loosens their grip and then I do a little tug and that takes their hand right off. This is good for people with death grips that are so determined to help me that they are unable to listen to my verbal request that they quit touching me.

 

I'm looking forward to guide dog training this summer, people have told me that those kinds of encounters happen less and less when you are accompanied by a guide dog.
impablomations 1 points
I'd love to have a guide dog, I've been told that one would be very useful for me.

Unfortunately I can't walk far enough to make it worthwhile, poor bugger wouldn't get much exercise.

I really fancy a Rottweiler guide dog (yes they do exist!)
geoffisblind 1 points
Aw man :/ I'm sorry, that sucks. Didn't realize they trained Rottweilers though. The school I'm going to trains German Shepherds, Labs, Golden Retrievers, and Lab/ Golden retriever crosses.
J_for_Jules [OP] 1 points
Thanks for the reply. The kids did seem to be on a mission of some sort. There are some good restaurants around so I'm assuming they wanted food. lol

I used to deliver pizzas and part of my clientele was a school for the blind (high school), and I never acted like anything was different. Everyone was really cool and just happy to have pizza delivered!

As far as grabbing someone's arm, I know that is not appreciated, and I would never do it. I'm not visually impaired, and it would still piss me off if someone grabbed me for any reason.

Thanks
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