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Accessibility online (self.Blind)
submitted by illogicallyinsane
Hello, I am deaf, so I would like to say that I understand the struggles for accessibility, especially online. I just realized the other day that I've been ignorant of your needs as well. I am just curious as to the issues that blind people face with accessibility online.

Deaf people are currently fighting to get subtitles added to videos on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, any major news website. I would like to see how or if the needs of blind and deaf people can be parallel even though the two senses are very different.

1) Do you feel like you're being left out of the loop online? If so, how can we make your experience better? What would be your ideal websurfing experience? An ideal websurfing experience for a deaf person is if all videos were captioned or transcribed.

2) Is this issue a common topic of discussion? The issue of accessibility online is a very common discussion among deaf people.

3) Someone pointed out to me that they are unable to read the text on memes that are posted as pictures since it is in picture form rather than text. Is there a way to bypass this struggle that the person may not know of?

4) Please add any other additional points that I may have forgotten about that I should know about.
fastfinge 6 points 7y ago
I'm completely blind. Regarding videos, less than a tenth of the videos that do have subtitles come with an audio description track for the blind, describing important imagery in the video that couldn't be figured out just by listening to the dialogue. While Youtube supports subtitles, sort of, it doesn't support audio description at all. The only online website that does is Netflix, and 4 movies on iTunes also have audio description. And...that's it.

Unfortunately, there is absolutely no way for a blind person to read any of the text on memes. As you can imagine, this leaves us out of about a quarter of Reddit. I don't even bother with Facebook these days, as about half of the things on my newsfeed are just images without description. The ideal web surfing experience would be if all important images and videos online had descriptions or labels.

However, this is harder than it at first seems. First of all, a person describing images needs to figure out if they're important, and why they're important. For example, if someone described all of the icons in a computer program with what they actually showed (thumbs up, paper clip, floppy disc, blue letter e, etc) a blind user would probably be quite confused. Instead, these icons get descriptions based on what meaning they're trying to convey (up vote, attach, save, internet explorer, etc). Also, most websites have lots and lots and lots of images. Assuming it takes at least 20 words to describe an image, describing every image on any major website would just drown a blind person in endless walls of text. Similarly, when an audio description of a video is being made, the describer can never speak over someone who is speaking in the video. So she has to carefully decide what the most important thing happening on screen is, and then squeeze descriptions of what's happening in around the dialogue in the movie. There just isn't time to describe everything!

So describing images and videos for the blind is, I think, much harder than captioning for the deaf. While I've never done it, I'm convinced I could provide adequate captions for a video; all I need to do is make sure they're in-sync with the audio, and write what people are saying. I don't need to provide any interpretation at all. On the other hand, describing for the blind is much more like translating, because you need to figure out why the image is important, and put it into words. As far as I know, there is no perfect, unbiased way to do that. That's not to say it's impossible; this $1 may be the best example of describing images ever. But it did take pretty much a year of one woman's life to create.

Wow, that turned into a super long comment. I hope it gave you some insight into the different accessibility challenges for the blind, and why so few videos and images ever get described.
SideshowKaz 3 points 7y ago
The most irritating thing on the net right now is text in image files or screenshorts as they are called. It's nor just a meme or a small chunk of text it's a huge two or three paragraphs.
museoftheday 3 points 7y ago
I use screen magnification. There's lots of times that websites and/ or features of sites do not work well or at all with basic screen acessibilty. In those instances, I redirect my attention. I don't usually take it personally. Brilliant developers can also be ignorant. But, since their product is audience sensitive, they really should consider a spectrum of viewers. Perhaps there is better compatibility with software like zoom text or screen readers. I get by, so far ... With less.
charliemyheart 2 points 7y ago
I use Zoomtext, and have some vision, but with how my vision ''works'' many times I have to switch to a screenreader. I don't have a issue with memes like some do. I usually just zoom in.

My issue is with page organization somethings seem to ''hide'' as I say. And zoomtext not work with some websites, or not working good enough.

With movies, and shows it is another story. I have given up on watching most action things because I hate asking every five minutes what is going?
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