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How often do you find yourself thinking, "Man, FUCK sighted people." (self.Blind)
submitted by blind_devotion08
Out of curiosity, I ask because I find myself treating sighted people as a cohesive group because it serves the dual purpose of exposing the silliness of blanket statements as well as complain about how people with vision tend to screw things up for those without.

A friend of mine suggested I make shirts that say "Kill Sighty."
fastfinge 6 points 7y ago
Almost never. Most of the problems I have in my daily life are caused by corporations. All of the sighted people in the company are nice as individuals, and yet, as a corporation, none of the accessibility work gets done. The same goes for governments. For example, the like and dislike buttons in the YouTube app for IOS just disappeared to VoiceOver with the last update. "Damn it, Google!" While nobody who works at Google are malicious themselves, the company as a hole still manages to be quite malicious (Android still has massive access failures, Google Apps administration is so awful I don't even want to think about it, and nobody does any accessibility testing at all, so every update of every single app breaks something that will only get fixed 5 or 6 updates later, once enough people complain).
agoose77 1 points 7y ago
With regards to the specific issue (Google YouTube) have you written to them?
fastfinge 1 points 7y ago
Yup. It's come up multiple times on Applevis as well, so I would be really surprised if I was the only one; I suspect multiple people have contacted them. But as with all large companies, support emails just go off to a minimum wage worker in a sweatshop, and from there into a black hole. Actually, in the case of Google, I think they just go to a robot who sends me an auto-reply email, and straight to the black hole from there, no human involvement at all.

Edit to add: there are third party YouTube apps for IOS that still work, my favourite being YouPlayer, so at least this is something I can work around, for now. I was just using it as an example of something Google could have caught with even the most basic of automated tests, and that they could fix extremely easily. The fact that the app is released in that state proves to me that Google doesn't test, rarely fixes problems, and just generally doesn't care.
fastfinge 5 points 7y ago
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geoffisblind 4 points 7y ago
Can't say I've ever thought that. People certainly overlook problems, and I will occasionally have my life inadvertently made more difficult because someone didn't consider something that might make my life harder. But that's not really their fault, we live in a world that is made up primarily of sighted people. That's why we have to adapt to the world around us, it isn't cut out for people with low to no vision by default.

 

I am relatively uninformed when it comes to matters that concern the deaf, mobility impaired, or really any other disabled community because those disabilities are not directly part of my life. I certainly understand the basics, but there is so much nuance to how one manages with a disability that it is impossible to understand every facet of how one handles it. I can never fully understand every disability, so why would I expect someone who doesn't have a visual disability to fully understand mine?

 

I understand the frustrations, but I think it's important to contain them and maintain a professional attitude so that the blind community is portrayed in the most positive light possible, the last thing we need is a negative image. That's not to say we shouldn't voice problems, but we need to do it in a way that is respectful to everyone.

 

I don't resent people for having full sight. My problem is genetic, there is no one to blame, and certainly it isn't the fault of the people I interact with who don't understand every aspect of my disability... Just my two cents.
bhmode 3 points 7y ago
As a sighted person who works with visually impaired people I find your "Kill Sighty" shirt idea..completely hilarious. Yes, by and large people with advantages are pricks and vision is no different. I've seen it routinely while guiding a friend around. People in general are rude, it's not specifically people who are sighted, but it also doesn't help their case.
Bob_0119 3 points 7y ago
I found it easy to begrudge "sighted-people" their perfect eyesight when I was younger. I was bitter and angry that my extremely poor vision held me back from all the things I wanted to do, and seemed to close doors at every alternative.

That bitterness followed me into young adulthood, where I would get steamed by people asking the seemingly innocent question "have you ever thought about seeing an eye-Doctor?" Man, that question used to piss me off more than any other.

As I got older, I began to recognize that we had no common frame of reference. They don't know what life is like for me. They don't think about my limitations or struggles because they don't expirience them every waking minute like I do. It's not that they are assholes. They aren't trying to be rude by asking me about seeing an eye-Doctor; it's just what people do. They are legitimately trying to be helpful, and probably feel stupid almost as soon as that question leaves their mouths. Kinda like walking up on someone changing a tire and asking "you get a flat?"

When people see someone struggling they typically will try and offer what I call "30-second advice". It's hard to give a clear example other than what I have provided, but if you watch for it, you'll notice it more and more frequently. It's not meant to be insulting or degrading. It's more a way of attempting to bond with a fellow human being.

Sighted people don't generally harbor any specific grudge against the blind or visually impaired, but it's not always easy to know how to prepare for us all and our different needs. Some people go over-the-top in their efforts to be helpful and others try not to say anything at all for fear of being insensitive or screwing up and hurting someone's feelings by offering unsolicited assistance.

At the end of the day, it's not their fault we can't see and we don't make it any better by snapping at them or alienating them by lashing out at them because what we are secretly truly unhappy about is what seems to be the unfair hand *we* were dealt.

EDIT: changed "a" to "are"
museoftheday 2 points 7y ago
Listen, don't be feeling sorry for sighty. Just because they can only do stuff with the lights on don't mean they are disabled. It's our duty as an elite group to show them how to utilize their other senses. Yes, yes they say weird and awkward things. But, it's just sighty's own insecurities. We shouldn't discriminate the sighted for being visually dependent. But, it is important for them to know their station and how they can best serve the blindness community.
Myntrith 2 points 7y ago
I'm a sighted person. I just looked up this subreddit to find some ways I can better help my mom who is blind. I read this post, and it made me laugh!
museoftheday 2 points 7y ago
That's great and humor is in the heart of it. But in all seriousness, if you want to help someone who is blind, ask them what their biggest challenges are presently. Then think out of the box for useful solutions. But, throw caution to the wind, it's going to be trial and error. Practical accommodations can be the very simplest idea. Blindness teaches one very important lesson: patience. Ultimately, the blind life just takes more time. Most importantly, create a sense of availability. Your mom should know she can count on you, if she needs to, but expect and encourage (if need be) her independence.

Also, sorry to hear that you're sighted. It will be okay, at least you someone blind in your life! Lol
Myntrith 2 points 7y ago
Yeah, it has been trial and error. Her memory isn't as sharp as it used to be, and she sometimes forgets things that she wants to tell people. When she sees them again, she just can't remember what it was.

I got her a talking microwave, which she loves. I got her a talking watch, which she loves. But I've tried a couple of different voice recorders, and she hasn't liked any of them.

One the reasons your post made me laugh is because it's true. I'm a computer geek, but put me in front of a computer with a blindfold on, and I'm useless. I've tried voice software, just out of curiosity, but I can't always remember all the commands, and even so, I'm watching the screen to make sure it's doing what I want.

Everyone here has my admiration and respect.

My biggest challenge right now is phone numbers. She used to be able to remember phone numbers and birthdays for the extended family, out to 3rd and sometimes 4th and 5th cousins. She was a human smartphone. Now, not so much. I've been looking into voice control options on cell phones, but with the demos I've watched and the apps I've tried, there always seems to be some point, somewhere in the process, where a tap on a button is required.

It's frustrating (I'm sure you know), because I remember having voice activated calling in 1999. The kind you didn't have to train. Now it's 2016 (Happy New Year!), and voice control is still lacking.

One of the biggest potentials with technology is accessibility and assistance, and it seems to be either one of the most overlooked potentials or one of the most difficult to meet. I'm not sure which.
charliemyheart 2 points 7y ago
I thought it about a close friend when she typed my card number in the credit card reader instead of letting me. (I use the five with the bump as the guide).

I thought that about my grandmother when she said your not blind enough to need a guide dog (when one school has already said they want to work with me, add in she hasn't seen me since I became came blind).

And the biggest one when I heard a guy say ''that poor pretty blind girl''.

I don't hate sighted people I just hate what they sometimes do.
0mgitsrachel 3 points 7y ago
Hah! Last time I went to visit my grandparents my grandma routinely pointed things out for me to look at, asked me if I liked her sweater. And then said "you can see just fine, I bet if I put a $100 in front of you you could tell what it was." She's just old and still sees me as the weird 14 year old girl, even though I'm 31 now. I kind of refuse to visit them alone now because I'm basically trapped and they aren't helpful, and don't realize that I am actually visually impaired now. It's been 5 years but they have no basis of understanding.
charliemyheart 2 points 7y ago
I haven't spoken to mine before this in nine years, so don't feel bad. She even went to saying isn't there a school think for people like you then? (I don't really want to see her again) But she couldn't get it no a large print book isn't going to help. No I can still enjoy tv, but I can't see it.
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Myntrith 1 points 7y ago
How do people with vision tend to screw things up for those without? I ask because I honestly want to know. As I said in a comment blow, I'm sighted, but I have a friend a mother who are both blind. And in general, I'd like to learn how to be a better person overall.
blind_devotion08 [OP] 2 points 7y ago
It's less of "individual sighted person does x and it's mean," and more "sighted people tend to design the world for sighted people." The fact that stuff is so spread out in the U.S., combined with the fact that people just don't care about anyone who can't drive, and various other things that I won't get into, all adds up to a general frustration with people who just assume everyone can see.
Myntrith 1 points 7y ago
Yeah, I can understand that. Thanks for your reply.
matt_may 1 points 7y ago
I get irritated from time to time. But having kids keeps me honest. My kids can be as a bad as strangers with less excuse. I decided a few years ago to stop being so angry. It doesn't always work but I try not to look for excuses to get ticked.
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