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How is the a Google Chromebook and Chromevox for a 100% Blind User? (self.Blind)
submitted by Lolstop
Hi guys! My brother is 100% visually impaired and I was considering getting him a Google Chromebook. He currently is using a Windows 8 desktop with a program called "Window Eyes" and is having a lot of problems. The computer he has is kind of cheap. I don't even know if it's dual-core. I think that program running with a clunky anti-virus software slows the computer down the a crawl.

Anyway, I was wondering if it was possible for a blind user to get by with a Google Chromebook using Chromevox? It looks like a feasible option, but the reviews on the Chrome web store for Chromevox don't look so good. Does anyone here have experience with it? What model Chromebook should I look for? Thanks!
fastfinge 3 points 7y ago
I have one. If all you ever want to do is browse the web, it's mostly fine. The chromevox screen-reader is not the best thing in the world, but once you learn to deal with it, it works OK. The main problem with Chromevox is that it isn't user friendly, and the way it's designed everything takes two or three times longer than it would with any other screen-reader. But it all does work, where work is defined as you can get everything done eventually without sighted help. Unfortunately, the documentation isn't the best, either; the shortcut keys you need are spread out over two or three different places, so it's a bit tricky to learn them all. The most important two that aren't listed in the chromevox documentation are search+f2 to toggle between the tray with wifi etc, and the app launcher, and search+f6 to toggle between parts of the browser window (the main content, the address bar, and so-on).

How old is your brother? If he's in middle school or junior high, a chromebook would be absolutely perfect to take to school and use as a note-taker, assuming the school has wifi. The battery lasts forever, it boots up and down extremely quickly, and Google Docs would be just right for taking notes and completing assignments. Also, it's small and light, so it can be easily carried on the walk to school, or on the bus. Plus, it's cheap enough that if it gets stolen, it sucks, but it isn't absolutely the end of the world.

However, come high school, he might take a programming course, a science course, or any other course that requires some desktop app. And then he's going to need Windows anyway.

If your brother is an adult, looking to get into, or stay in, the working world, then a chromebook makes a nice back-up computer. But it's just not capable enough to be a main computer. That's how I use it, in fact. The chromebook goes anywhere I don't want to carry a full sized laptop, or anywhere I want long battery life. It's perfect for writing emails outside!
Marconius 2 points 7y ago
Don't do it. Chromebooks are awful and ChromeVox equally so. They absolutely need an Internet connection to be of any use at all, and based on all the available forms of screen readers out there, Google definitely has the worst one available. If you want to stick to windows, grab NVDA if you don't have the money for jaws. Personally, I highly recommend getting a Mac and using voice over, but that's my own opinion.

ChromeVox uses very convoluted key commands for basic navigation, some of which use up to four or five keystrokes wear the same can be done with only one keystroke using Jaws or voiceover. It is very buggy, and in my testing has proved to hang quite a lot and become exceedingly frustrating to use, even on Google's own pixel chromebooks. It has a tremendous way to go to even scratch the surface of what Jaws and voiceover can do, and it's development is extremely slow.
geoffisblind 2 points 7y ago
I have no experience with Chromebooks, however there was a post about this a little while back which you can find $1 where I believe someone said something about some major accessibility problems with them. I would personally steer clear, what I would recommend is maybe getting a newer affordable laptop that's a little faster and get NVDA which is a free and awesome screen reader on it. That, or just flash a new copy of Windows to his old laptop which might fix the performance issues either way and then add NVDA.
Drop9Reddit 1 points 7y ago
I know u/fastfinge has one and has poked at it.
Lolstop [OP] 1 points 7y ago
Thanks everyone! It looks like it might not be worth it, from what you're saying. I always thought a Mac would be the way to go, but they're so expensive. Maybe I'll look into a Windows computer with NVDA. What hardware requirements to run NVDA? I only ask because I feel like Window-Eyes is a bloated program and the cheap desktop he is using is not powerful enough for it.

By the way, my brother is an adult and works in a occupational center, so his needs are mostly for web surfing, Facebook, YouTube and emails. Once I pick a program and computer, what is a good place to go to learn how to use it? I'm thinking he should be ok if he uses YouTube tutorial videos. Thanks again!
geoffisblind 1 points 7y ago
I think you are probably making the right decision. Macs are great, I love my MacBook Pro, but they are ungodly expensive and you can get something better for less. I would say give NVDA a shot because it's free and if you need to look further try JAWS, but that is also expensive. My friend seems to like his Dell XPS laptop, maybe try that? For learning, it is something you can teach yourself... However I'd recommend checking out any local non-profits or DSS Rehab Services for the Blind (depending on your location). They can often provide training free of charge (they may also be able to get your brother a laptop at no cost). You can either run a Google search or check out our Wiki, there might be an organization that can help you out.
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