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Why did the curious student delete his post? (self.Blind)
submitted by claudettemonet
So the curious student looking for insight into our community, deleted his post after receiving sound advice.

Certainly, the replies were a bit skeptical, but as he is just beginning to educate himself on the topic, it is to be expected. Maybe he was expecting people to just be thankful he was thinking about starting to do something to help the blind, and, when the response did not conform to his expectation, he just peaced out.. idk. It is weird to me.

I'm apparently old, now. I do not understand kids today.

This whole deleting posts trend seems common here. Anyone remember the great debate that drove off Perkins School for the Blind? Maybe I just don't get the world anymore.... sigh
fastfinge 3 points 6y ago
I dunno. Deleting posts doesn't drive me as crazy as those people who use a script to edit all there comments on Reddit to say "this comment has been deleted". If you make a comment, it's public, and should remain so! Personally, I wish Reddit would disable edits to posts and comments, as well as deleting posts and comments, once they've been posted for over an hour.
claudettemonet [OP] 2 points 6y ago
Hear hear! Though... I am often bad at typos... and sometimes have to do things, so don't edit right away.... but generally, I agree completely
Nighthawk321 3 points 6y ago
I forgot, what was he asking advice for? Yeah, I remember that ordeal, funny stuff.
awesomesaucesaywhat 3 points 6y ago
I think this refers to the grad student who wanted to make a screen reader alternative but didn't know how it would work better or why his advisor thought there should be an alternative.
Nighthawk321 2 points 6y ago
Oh yeah, think I commented on that.
claudettemonet [OP] 1 points 6y ago
For making a prototype for a whole new platform for blind people to interface with the Internet that is not a screen reader.
-shacklebolt- 2 points 6y ago
So I read a really interesting article about this sort of thing that I searched and searched for and cannot find again.

Anyways, the gist of it as much as I remember was the experiences of someone who worked in blindness research and tech and who recounts being regularly approached by inventors with ideas they were sure would revolutionize blindness.

These ideas were often, of course, things that already existed, things that were impossible, or things that we simply do not want or need. Time and resources were then spent convincing (or at least trying to) the inventor of this. But many of these inventors remained just as convinced as ever that their ideas were great, and they just needed help or money or resources to make it happen. Most of the time they had nothing but good intentions, and were just trying to help, but they just didn't understand the problem or the solutions. They were people who might have otherwise been able to positively contribute to things that blind people actually want or need done, but did not go on to do those things.


In my personal experience with these sorts of things (especially as far as software and computer hardware goes) I have seen enough vaporware, half-baked products, and abandoned projects to find the situation frustrating. But I have never been able to gently dissuade a person from their invention, nor point them in the direction of work that actually needs to be done. Often times the person will double down as to why their product is necessary, that I don't understand and they're just trying to help, or will insist that it might be for a different "type" of blind person (for example, someone with less vision, because they perceive this to mean less function, or someone with poor blindness skills.)

I'm not at all saying this is or might be the case with the person you are referring to who deleted their post, but there is certainly no denying an undercurrent of many of these projects: to help blind people, but only in a way that is their idea, with them getting the recognition (or the cash) for a singular revolutionary thing they have done. There is also often a severe underestimation of the technical challenges of their project, no real capacity for good follow through, and yet there is a little bit of expectation that they're doing something good and praiseworthy by "helping the blind" or even just trying to.

I will note that in the case of the actual deleted post, nobody was at any point rude to them as far as I can tell. But I hoped to be able to (with a back and forth dialog that never happened) give the OP an opportunity to research and think about the limits of their own knowledge and abilities, and the real feasibility of and justification for the project they were proposing. But their answer was that they could literally note no differences whatsoever between the product they wanted to develop and existing screen readers, that there was not one function or feature that they could name that they planned to implement. They understood their own limitations, and said they had a lot to learn, and deferred to their advisor several times. But this did not change the fact that they believed that what they were doing was not only possible, but potentially useful enough to pursue graduate studies on.

How do you try to help someone who is talking about inventing a product with no known features or functionalities, which competes with a product they can't use, have no apparent technical development skills for, and have no real understanding of the functionalities involved?

/u/OneFishTwoFish/ offered them a very useful, practical list of alternative suggestions of projects that a student could realistically hope to finish over their course of studies, and which could actually have some useful application, but they did not receive a reply.
claudettemonet [OP] 1 points 6y ago
Yes! I know exactly the thing you are talking about! I read that a couple months ago. I can't find it either. Was it on r/blind? I'll try to find it. It was about a blind professor, but I think his TA or intern or something wrote it, so it was from their perspective.
drporoporo 2 points 6y ago
Maybe they made a throwaway account just to ask and ended up deleting it.
claudettemonet [OP] 1 points 6y ago
That seems silly. Some people only check in once a week. So that means it went up and down before some people even knew it existed.
Jsevrior 1 points 6y ago
Did he? I messaged him with an offer to give feedback. Shrug
claudettemonet [OP] 1 points 6y ago
Yes. It is sorrow. He deleted his whole account and everything.
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