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To those who use a white cane.... (self.Blind)
submitted by leed02
I am a currently a student studying industrial design and as a bit of a personal project I want to redesign the white cane used by the blind to navigate. As someone who designs purely on aesthetics, I thought this would be an interesting exercise. So what I want from you is any feedback on what its like to live with a white cane? What does it feel like to use it? Do you like the weight of it? Do you like the message it portrays to sighted people? Does it portray a message to you? What do you think of the material? Does it work? If you could make it better, how would you?
Marconius 5 points 6y ago
I've been a white cane user for over two years now, and I fully treat the white cane as a tool that is necessary for me to get around. I have a few different canes, primarily using a fully white foldable NFB cane with a metal tip. I sometimes swap this out for a graphite Revolution cane, also foldable and very sturdy, and that one has a red lower section. I also have an Ambutech aluminum folding cane with a large ball tip for hiking.

Here in the US, I've noticed that more people tend to run into or not immediately understand what my fully white NFB cane is being used for, despite me obviously using it in a sweeping and clearing pattern. The blind tend to be portrayed as always using a white cane with a red lower section in most forms of media, whether it is an illustrated book when in school, in TV shows, movies, and even in information pamphlets from the DMV/driver education booklets.

People tend to avoid my Revolution cane as it looks and feels a lot stronger than the fiberglass NFB cane.

Ultimately, the cane needs to be seen as a tool and communicate the fact that the person using it is visually impaired. The cane needs to come with an ability to easily interchange tips for various navigation types, whether for two-point touch or constant contact, and different terrain types. The grip needs to be comfortable for long periods of use; the NFB cane has a foam grip which works quite well. the Revolution cane has a solid rubber grip which is shaped to make the carrying hand position easier which makes quick manipulation a lot better, yet after a lot of use the rubber tends to start coming off.

The use will vary from person to person, as will the weight and construction. I don't like using rigid canes since I like the versatility and portability of the folding canes, yet many of the blind people I know use both in various situations.

Ultimately, I think the only thing I would like at this point in regards to the canes is a tungsten carbide or strong metal tip to prolong the life of using it in a constant contact method. Don't make it look wildly different from what is already out there as they are not meant to be fashion statements. Make is resilient, flexible, sturdy, and portable. Focus on grip ergonomics without sacrificing the tactile feedback coming from the tip of the cane.
leed02 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
Thank you very much for such detailed feedback. What I understand from this is that it's very important that the public understand that you are blind and need to get out of your way! It's also very interesting that you have multiple different canes for different uses. If you where to have to choose your favourite which one would it be and why? As you are in the US I assume you have to pay for your canes, what would you expect to pay for a white cane? Also how long do your canes last? Is it something that would last you a lifetime or just a couple of years? If you don't mind me asking what is your condition is, from my understanding the word "blind" covers lots of different visual impairments!
Marconius 1 points 6y ago
I started off with the heavy roller ball tip revolution cane, but my O&M instructor got me hooked on the NFB cane. It is extremely light, flexible but strong, and it has a solid metal tip that increases tactile and audio feedback when it is being used. I can move it around and clear it from obstacles extraordinarily quickly, much faster than with the revolution Cain. I'm not sure how long they are meant to last since I'm relatively new to all of this, but they feel like they should last a very long while, especially with the ability to change out the tips.

Canes have a range of values based on their materials and length. I happen to use a 61-62 inch Cain, and the ones I've paid for so far have ranged between $65-$95. The metal tips for the NFB Cain I currently use run at about $3 each.

And I am fully blind with low light perception.
jovialjazz 3 points 6y ago
Aussie here, I have used a white cane now for a year and a half, it's become an extension of me when I'm out and I couldn't imagine life without it! Personally idgaf what it looks like, the important thing for me is that the public are aware of what it is and get out of the way - which they usually do with a white cane.
I like the fiberglass Folding ones, they're light and easy to fold/unfold. I've used mine pretty tough, even climbed a mild mountain with it.
I like the big ball the best because it doesn't get stuck in cracks as easy and is good in city areas.
I recently painted one purple for a wedding where I was a bridesmaid, and that was fun, but not something I'd do a lot as I really rely on people understanding what it is, and people are surprisingly confused when it's not white.
leed02 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
I really appreciate the feedback you've given me. Is there any problems you occurred with using your white cane when climbing the mountain? What do you think about the grip on the white cane, I understand that other people have a rubber grip that wears down after lots of use, again, like many others, it seems very important to you that the cane tells the general public to move out of your way. Would you like something you could personalise while it still gave a clear message to the public?
KillerLag 3 points 6y ago
In North America, the canes are usually made of two materials (aluminium and graphite), while fibreglass is used a bit more in other countries. However, the fibreglass ones are usually not as strong, and not really meant for outdoor usage. Aluminium is the heaviest, and fibreglass is the lightest.

I don't use the cane myself, but I teach how to use is, so aesthetics takes a back seat to functionality. I've known people to decorate their canes, but when they start to cover it up, people get confused as to the purpose of the cane. I have a client who covered her white cane COMPLETELY in pink rhinestones (even the handle and tip). That has caused of number of confusing incidents where people did not know what the cane was (and one safety incident when she was travelling in low light conditions. All the rhinestones covered up the reflective tape, and a driver didn't see her until they were very close).

leed02 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
Thats incredibly interesting, As an instructor who teaches people how to use the cane, do people who are new to the cane come across any difficulties with it at first? Do you teach children to use the cane? It seems very important that the cane remains white because of the message it sends out to the general public, but do you think there is a safe way to personalise the cane in anyway without loosing its function of it being white. The shape of the cane also seems interesting, I assume that the height of the cane will vary depending on the person? What do you think about the grip of the cane?
KillerLag 2 points 6y ago
For people new to vision loss, there can be a variety of reactions. Depends on many factors. So far, for my worst case scenarios, I've had someone throw a cane at me (they missed), I've had someone spit at me (also missed) and hospital staff saying I couldn't issue the client the cane because it could be used as a weapon (client was in the psych ward of a mental health hospital).

Most people, if they've come to accept their vision loss, usually pick up the basics right away. Some may need more coaxing than others. I find that cultural values also plays a large role. I am working with one young child, but the grandparents refuse to let the child use the cane, to the point where they hide the cane (the grandparents are old-country Chinese).

For children, it depends on their age and their development. I've issued canes to children as young as 1.5 years old, but I know they wouldn't be using it formally, it is more to get them use to the cane. If it is something they do need, we usually start them with a tool called a pre-cane first (usually some PVC piping, arranged similiar to a broom or something) to get used to how it works. Generally, though, the youngest that get formal O&M instruction is around 4-5ish, when they can understand commands and why we are teaching what we teach.

https://ambutech.com/shop-online/aluminum-mobility-cane

If you check out their website, they provide the option to change the handle colour, the shaft colour and the bottom colour. The colour change is a bit of a contentious topic, with some saying it should remain white and red, and others saying it doesn't matter. The handle colour is a minimal issue, though. I know most kids decorate parts of the handle and attack things to the loop (helps to differentiate between a dozen canes at camps and such).

The cane height is usually measured to the sternum, modified by their walking speed. Some teachers prefer to measure the cane up the nose, for added length, but I personally find that a bit unweildy.

Most people hold the cane "wand" style, but some hold it "pencil" style. I find holding it like a wand gives the maximium control, but it does depend on personal taste. The golf club style handle is pretty classic, but there are some other handle designs. Those are usually for a specifically medical reason, though. I just recently helped an OT on making a prosthetic brace for a client to hold a cane, because the client lost all their fingers in a fire. Additionally, some added technology sometimes makes another grip necessary.

http://www.designanduniverse.com/articles/images/bat_technoloyg/baston.jpg




DjTonyBash 1 points 6y ago
I did something similar, I've covered the red parts with black tape but left a bit of red at the bottom. Is this safe to have the red covered? I figured it was better than covering the white
KillerLag 2 points 6y ago
The primary reason red was added was to give contrast in the snow. While the black tape would cover the reflective red parts, the white parts should still be reflective.
DjTonyBash 1 points 6y ago
Fantastic
EndlessReverberation 2 points 6y ago
I have used a NFB long white cane for six years now. I don't think the cane could be improved in any major way. The tips can become loose, I knew a guy who used empty bullet cases to fix this. I am sure that loos tips are not very exciting for you, so you might want to consider another project. It seems like sighted people often like to come up with flashy and less practical then what we already have.
leed02 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
Loose tips, anything like that makes me very interested! How long until the tips become loose? How much does it cost you to replace the tips? How easy is it to change the tips? What sort of environment do you use your cane in?
leed02 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
Also, do the different tips effect the feedback you get from the cane? What do you prefer to use?
laconicflow 1 points 6y ago
I used to use a caine before I got a dog. It always felt shitty using a caine, not that you stop to notice that shitty feeling because your so used to it, but to me it always felt like I was navigating by waving a fucking stick around and hitting things with it. That having been said, I also always felt like the white caine looked uncool, I'm fully blind, its just a feeling. If I was a caine user now, I'd jump at the chance to buy in any other color, and also any other shape. The weight can't change much, because of how a caine is used, but the only elements that can't be redesigned seem to be the tip of the caine, there are different styles, and the grip, where the right hand goes. Other than that, say the top and staff parts could be redone, a metal ball on the top, or carved wood or venere, etc.
leed02 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
It's really interesting what you are saying about your feelings towards the cane. I originally came about this project when I heard a blind journalist talking about her refusal to use a cane because of how it made her feel. I would really like to make it something more desirable as a product. My only concern is that it is a tool, and it has to give the right message to the general public. In your experiences what materials do you find pleasing to touch, is there any particular shape which gives you comfort?
laconicflow 1 points 6y ago
So from a design perspective, the caine is a long stick, lightweight enough to be used properly, if you haven't looked up video's of propper caine technique, do that.
As far as what I like to feel, most caine's have that rubber grib at the top, that feels fine, the caine doesn't feel ugly, no more than you sit there thinking about how ugly your steering wheel is. The reason it sucks to use a caine is that your waving a stick around and whacking people in the ankles with it. The only way to look more blind is to have no caine and trip and fall and break your face on lightpolls, etc. The reason it sucks to use a caine, is that the caine's painted, red and white, is it, can't remember. Whatever, it looks like a blind people caine. Keeping in mind that some brightness on the caine is desirable to make the general public take note, getting away from the standard design, as far as colors and miterials are concerned is your best bet. As I said, now I use a dog, but if, at fifteen, I'd had the oprotunity to buy a blind caine in the colors of a pimp caine, or a blind caine with the top part formed into the head of an animal, with the feel of say, carved designs going up the sides, or anything at all different from the standard, I'd have spend serious bank to do that. The problem with using a caine psychologicly is that first your waving a fucking stick around, and second, that stick looks like a piece of shit labeling all the users as fucking retards.
WindupBot 1 points 6y ago
I mean, there's only so much you can improve on a stick, and we have some pretty high-tech sticks these days. Personally, I use a folding graphite cane with a metal tip. I only need it in low light, or when I'm in unfamiliar places.

It's very lightweight and very portable. For me, portability is the biggest thing, since I don't use the cane all the time. The bigger/more awkward it is to carry around when it's not in use, the less likely I am to bring it with me when I go out (unless I 100% know I'll need it).

Don't change the aesthetics - people get really confused when a white cane doesn't look like a white cane. It's a tool, not a fashion statement.
leed02 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
Thank you of your feedback, How big does your cane fold up to be? If your taking your cane with you does that mean you have to take a bag with you too? Does it fold out like a tent pole or more like a telescope? What sort of feed back does the cane give, do you think it varies from cane to cane? What is the grip like on the cane? How long have you been using the cane?
WindupBot 2 points 6y ago
> How big does your cane fold up to be?

I'm using the $1. It's a light-duty mobility cane and mine folds up to be about 8.5in - making it super portable. I recently switched from a more heavy-duty one with fewer sections that was about 15in folded.

> If your taking your cane with you does that mean you have to take a bag with you too?

Or, for this particular one, a large pocket works, too, but I usually carry a small bag anyway.

> Does it fold out like a tent pole or more like a telescope?

Tent pole. I considered a telescoping one because of how compact it could get, but in the end, I decided against it because it would be slower to extend/collapse, and also because it's easy with a telescoping cane to end up with it not being quite the same length every time, which can be confusing when using it to do things like judge the distance of a step.

> What sort of feed back does the cane give, do you think it varies from cane to cane?

I think the sensitivity varies a bit from cane to cane and tip to tip, and also technique, but in general, changes in texture and elevation, judging distance, changes to surface material based on both texture and sound, etc. There are caning techniques for finding doorways, door handles, and doing more complex things, but they're not typically ones I need due to the nature of my vision loss. My visual acuity is enough to see things like that, but I have no depth perception and no peripheral vision, the effects of both of which are made worse by bad lighting.

> What is the grip like on the cane?

The slim-line cane that I have has a fairly lightweight foam grip. More heavy duty canes have a rubber grip that often more closely resembling a golf club grip. I think that would probably be more durable for everyday/long-term use. But for my needs, the foam grip is fine and comfortable.

> How long have you been using the cane?

This particular one, only a few weeks. Canes in general, periodically for the past 6yrs, and more consistently for the past maybe 6 months. No changes in my vision, just less desire to put myself in situations where I risk injury.
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