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60 Minutes Slams Americans with Disabilities Act To Boost Trump Agenda (lflegal.com)
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Marconius 6 points 6y ago
Such a shitty turn of events, especially after all the filming and dialogue that some of my friends out here at the ILRC had with the news team. The future really isn't looking good for us, really hoping that the electors make the right decision on December 19.
Blindmouseottawa -2 points 6y ago
ADA is being abused by some people with disabilities and lawyers to get a pay day. Instead of trying to find a solution to accomdate, through understanding explanation first. Instead right to legal.
There is some many kinds of disabilities, ad hoc system should be implemented. Not everything can be planned. Try to find a solution. If they are unwilling to even address, then yes, go the legal route. But they hard working people talk to them first.
There is some many kinds of disabilities, ad hoc system should be implemented. Not everything can be planned. Try to find a solution. If they are unwilling to even address, then yes, go the legal route. But they hard working people talk to them first.
Marconius 6 points 6y ago
Those standards have been implemented, what do you think the ADA is? If you run a business here in the United States, you need to abide by and comply with the ADA laws and standards. The people who do not abide by those laws and standards are the ones that get hit with the lawsuits. Ignorance is not justification for bypassing the law, and almost all of the times the accommodations are set by lawsuit rather than just a conversation. The whole point is for everywhere to have equal and inclusive access, and most business owners ignore the compliance until they are called out on it. If they followed and complied with the law in the first place, there wouldn't be an issue.
Blindmouseottawa 0 points 6y ago
There are people who abused it for a payday. ADA has its purposes to assist in the process. It is expensive to plan for all disabilities since there some many types of accomdation and varies between people. It is expensive. That's why ad hoc accomdation are better so it suits the accomdation required. They may invest in something in which doesn't get used. If one wants to actual improve the accessibility of resources, you create an market environment for it. Forcing to do stuff makes people do the minimum. Spreading the cost out by providing grants and give people with disability spending grants for type of places. So a good market can form.
If one wants an accessible society, doing it by force doesn't get the job done. Companies who can not afford shut down, leaving less choice, less competition, increase price on the ones that can afford. Thing cost more and less option for all. Since one business couldn't accomdation some. So no one gets services even the one with disability that was able to accomdation.
There was case of the drive thru accomdation (not sure of the result yet)
If won, some drive thru will shutdown at night since it would no longer be worth it.
The idea of treated equal, not fairly on both side cause problems. Cause equally bad is still bad. But unequal good is still good.
If one wants an accessible society, doing it by force doesn't get the job done. Companies who can not afford shut down, leaving less choice, less competition, increase price on the ones that can afford. Thing cost more and less option for all. Since one business couldn't accomdation some. So no one gets services even the one with disability that was able to accomdation.
There was case of the drive thru accomdation (not sure of the result yet)
If won, some drive thru will shutdown at night since it would no longer be worth it.
The idea of treated equal, not fairly on both side cause problems. Cause equally bad is still bad. But unequal good is still good.
Marconius 7 points 6y ago
Again, the ADA is law and unless following the law causes an undue Financial burden provable by the business, it must be followed, and even then there are means for financial burden to be alleviated and produce reasonable accommodations. Yes, there are a lot of disabilities, and the reasonable accommodations account for practically all of them already. Not every business has to be reconstructed like a government building. You can't just ignore it because you think it will never be used. You need to follow the law in order to own and operate a business here in the United States. If anything, those of us who are disabled don't want monetary settlement, we just want businesses to do the right thing and comply with what they should already be doing in the first place. It is absolutely disingenuous to focus on these "abusive" lawsuits when the fact remains that there has been tons of advocacy for the ADA and discussions held on how to move forward with reasonable accommodations, and that moving towards equal and inclusive access has been horribly slow or just plain ignored.
-shacklebolt- 1 points 6y ago
> If one wants an accessible society, doing it by force doesn't get the job done
That's hilarious.
Are you saying you seriously, honestly believe that every business would put up ramps and whatnot and consider the minute details of access voluntarily if it weren't the law?
Do you *really* believe that schools, employers, etc would provide thousands of dollars of braille books, accessibility hardware and software, etc if it wasn't the law?
Do you think businesses (which still often have to be legally battled to comply, see Uber) would widely embrace service dogs if they weren't forced to allow them there?
It wasn't that long ago that it wasn't (and in many parts of the world it isn't) so you won't have to look too far back to get your answer.
The law is good. It isn't "abuse" to file lawsuits when a legitimate access issue exists, even if you find 1,00 of them. It also isn't abuse to be compensated (and have your lawyer paid) for violations of the law.
Are there some people who bring about unfounded lawsuits? Sure. Does that mean the system is broken, or that we should go to an "ad hoc" system of hoping for the good faith of businesses first? Hell no.
That's hilarious.
Are you saying you seriously, honestly believe that every business would put up ramps and whatnot and consider the minute details of access voluntarily if it weren't the law?
Do you *really* believe that schools, employers, etc would provide thousands of dollars of braille books, accessibility hardware and software, etc if it wasn't the law?
Do you think businesses (which still often have to be legally battled to comply, see Uber) would widely embrace service dogs if they weren't forced to allow them there?
It wasn't that long ago that it wasn't (and in many parts of the world it isn't) so you won't have to look too far back to get your answer.
The law is good. It isn't "abuse" to file lawsuits when a legitimate access issue exists, even if you find 1,00 of them. It also isn't abuse to be compensated (and have your lawyer paid) for violations of the law.
Are there some people who bring about unfounded lawsuits? Sure. Does that mean the system is broken, or that we should go to an "ad hoc" system of hoping for the good faith of businesses first? Hell no.
-shacklebolt- 3 points 6y ago
Well that's shitty.
GoneVision 3 points 6y ago
Thank God we have the ADA, and Section 508, and laws like the CVAA that mandate a certain amount of video content be made accessible to blind and deaf viewers. It really sucks that 60 minutes couldn't show both sides of the story, and couldn't be bothered to take the time to investigate the benefits that the Target and Amazon decisions in particular have had on the lives of blind people, and the positive impact that better serving these customers have had on the companies themselves. I don't know what warm and fuzzy world people live in where just asking to be accommodated works, but it's not the one I've been tapping and navigating dogs through these past 42 years. Sometimes legal action is required to make certain people are afforded access to the products or services they need. Should calling a lawyer be the first approach someone takes to solve their accessibility concerns? Hell no, but thank God disabled people in the US, and Canada and western Europe in particular have laws that make bringing legal action against a company that won't see reason possible. Regulations like these help make the world a better place for all people regardless of their ability.
Regulations like the ADA aren't bad for business, like the Trumpets and their ilk would have you believe. Quite the contrary is true, in fact. LAWS like the ADA help business in huge and demonstrable ways. having to consider the ADA, for example, allows business to enjoy the benefits of a broader customer base, 20 percent broader, in fact. Moreover, 4 in 10 consumers will be swayed by the accessibility of a website, over a competitor's site that is less accessible. Here's another powerful stat for you: When taken as a group, regardless of racial or ethnic identity, All disabled people in the US spend more money than Hispanic and black Americans put together. That's huge, that's market impact that any business would be blind to ignore. But, without these laws, and having to prove their impact to skeptics, we wouldn't have the figures to demonstrate how much more business can gain by being forced to consider the needs of their audience.
Lastly, These regulations also give disabled folks jobs, so they have money to spend on businesses that can use their income to hire more disabled folks. The circle of life at work.
Regulations like the ADA aren't bad for business, like the Trumpets and their ilk would have you believe. Quite the contrary is true, in fact. LAWS like the ADA help business in huge and demonstrable ways. having to consider the ADA, for example, allows business to enjoy the benefits of a broader customer base, 20 percent broader, in fact. Moreover, 4 in 10 consumers will be swayed by the accessibility of a website, over a competitor's site that is less accessible. Here's another powerful stat for you: When taken as a group, regardless of racial or ethnic identity, All disabled people in the US spend more money than Hispanic and black Americans put together. That's huge, that's market impact that any business would be blind to ignore. But, without these laws, and having to prove their impact to skeptics, we wouldn't have the figures to demonstrate how much more business can gain by being forced to consider the needs of their audience.
Lastly, These regulations also give disabled folks jobs, so they have money to spend on businesses that can use their income to hire more disabled folks. The circle of life at work.
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