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ADA Trolling A Year Later (chrishofstader.com)
submitted by rkingett
fastfinge 1 points 6y ago
I stopped reading this blog after it's owner published, then deleted, the EZ Fire article, then took the entire blog down for a while, and then brought the blog back. Looks like the article in question is back again, now, and has been for a while; the entire thing just left a bad enough taste in my mouth that I hadn't been back. And it appears the only reason the article is back is because Chris realized that nothing on the Internet can ever be deleted, rather than due to any sense of ethics. Oh well, at least the right thing happened in the end? Maybe? I dunno. Regardless, I'd now take anything written here with a generous pinch of salt.
rkingett [OP] 1 points 6y ago
I hope you don't mind me asking you a ton of questions! I seriously am not trying to start anything, I just like different points of view.

When you say ethics, do you really mean integrity? Or did you mean the veracity of the post or the ethics of going based off complete word of mouth and otherwise?

Chris is writing in Gonzo style journalism. It is an older style of journalism but it is, after all, a style. Do you think that he is trying to pass off his blog as an authoritative and reliable source for blindness industry happenings?

Was it the tone of the article?

As a reporter myself I have written Gonzo style journalism before and have written stories based off word of mouth. Are you objecting to this style or the fact that he did not provide solid sources or background?

I do find it a wee bit funny that a programmer does not know about Google Cash, though. :)
fastfinge 1 points 6y ago
> When you say ethics, do you really mean integrity? Or did you mean the veracity of the post or the ethics of going based off complete word of mouth and otherwise?

I mean both things. The fact that Chris originally agreed to delete the post, and only restored it because of Google cache, makes me doubt the veracity of the post. It also makes me wonder about the integrity of the post author. I'm also uncomfortable with the idea of destroying someone's reputation based exclusively on word of mouth. It seems like many of the stories Chris related should have generated documents, or other evidence, that could have been linked and were not. Plus, Chris has a history of writing some regrettable things. See especially his comments about $1. While Chris later took back these remarks, it does mean my trust in Chris's website is at an all-time low. I want to clarify that I don't think Chris is a bad person, particularly. I've conversed with him on Twitter and by voice chat in the past, and he comes off as an OK guy. But it does mean I'm extremely uncomfortable with him destroying the reputation of others, based only on his say-so.

> Do you think that he is trying to pass off his blog as an authoritative and reliable source for blindness industry happenings?

I think he's trying to have it both ways. On one hand, he wants to be at the center of fighting what he calls the "ADA trolls". On the other hand, whenever someone calls him on anything he writes, he uses the fact that he's not a journalist as a shield to hide behind. You can't have your cake and eat it too! Either you're a force working for good and should be taken seriously, or you're just "a crackpot stoner". Also, I'm not entirely sure it matters what he says at this point. When it comes to writing a character Assassination, the only thing that matters is that the readers will take it seriously. The fact that Chris didn't intend to start a virtual lynch mob doesn't matter much, if one actually starts.

I much prefered it when his blog was primarily about the history of Freedom Scientific. He is an expert about that, and I don't care much what tone it takes; he's not ruining the lives of people in the present day. It was just a fascinating retrospective.

I do object to Gonzo journalism as a style, when what it's doing is destroying someone else. I think human beings deserve to be treated with a bit more dignity than that. Especially when they're small business owners, rather than public figures. And even more especially when "take my word for it" is the only evidence presented.
1000100001 2 points 6y ago
> Especially when they're small business owners, rather than public figures.

Extremely True
rkingett [OP] 1 points 6y ago
I agree with you on your points! Thanks for continuing this dialogue! Journalism 101 is about measurement. Did I gather up enough to make my story trustworthy to the public? Did I measure out the pros and cons of telling this story? These are questions we must ask ourselves every story. I have wrestled with these many times and have done the wrong thing, journalism wise, too, but I always have grown, as others will.

I agree with you about his integrity.
fastfinge 1 points 6y ago
The key difference between you and Chris is that you call yourself a journalist, and stand behind what you write by attempting to make a living from it. Based on what I've read by you, you also seem far less self-aggrandizing. But that might be subjective.
modulus 1 points 6y ago
I agree these lawsuits are a bit of a problem, but at the same time the potential defendants could very easily avoid them by making their websites accessible, which I would think is something we all want. So it may be the right hting for the wrong reasons.
rkingett [OP] 1 points 6y ago
I agree with you totally, well, kind of. Should you defuse a problematic means of doing something good that will help many?
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