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What do blind people do for entertainment? (self.Blind)
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GloryHoleVampire 13 points 6y ago
Reddit
metastaticaesthetic 7 points 6y ago
Your username is amazing.
BARDLover 1 points 6y ago
With your name, do you give or take?
Vaelian 8 points 6y ago
I spend my days doing nothing. Sometimes I come to reddit looking for a thread where I can post something that will hopefully generate replies so that I can feel entertained. Yesterday I went to /r/LearnProgramming and replied to some threads asking meta / theoretical questions.

Programming used to be my main hobby and also my job, and there are some people who can code blind, but I have absolutely no idea how they manage to find the will to fight the huge mental drag that is coding with a screen-reader. The user-experience is so bad that I prefer not to do it at all.

I plan on killing myself this year.
IHaveAFunnyName 9 points 6y ago
Hey friend, it sounds like you are having a hard time. Would you try talking to your doctor about depression before you decide to kill yourself? Or call a crisis line or suicide hotline. It would make me sad if you weren't here. You have valuable contributions and your life is important.
Vaelian 6 points 6y ago
I see a psychiatrist regularly and he tells me that I'm not depressed because I show none of the common symptoms of depression. And honestly I don't feel depressed, I'm just unadapted and too stubborn to accept blindness as I'd rather die than accept this.
doodoobrown530 5 points 6y ago
Hey! If you really want to talk about it PM me. A lot of people are willing to help you if you need it.
LukeVenable 2 points 6y ago
Have you told your psychiatrist that you're planning to kill yourself? Because contemplating suicide is a symptom of depression
atomsforenergy 2 points 6y ago
Hey there - I am here as well if you feel like chatting, even if just for a laugh and for killing time. You can PM me whenever you want. Cheers
Crazy_ManMan 1 points 6y ago
You can message me anytime if you need somebody to chat/rant/vent to.
Twebty 8 points 6y ago
Don't do that😖
lepton 4 points 6y ago
Do you know Ruby? I met a guy who lost his sight who is doing an IDE for the blind, it's in its beginning stages and initially supports Ruby but you can see it at https://github.com/edhowland/viper
Vaelian 7 points 6y ago
No, I don't know Ruby, but that wouldn't change much, because nothing can fix the terrible user-experience that is using a screen-reader for coding.
lepton 7 points 6y ago
That's what his tool Viper was trying to fix.
Jshrad 2 points 6y ago
National suicide hotline:
1 800-273-8255
Jshrad 1 points 6y ago
I want you to be a part of my life.
hfx99 2 points 6y ago
Do you know Python? I've been trying to get my my fully blind, double hand amputee dad to to stop coding in VB.net, so I can help him debug his code without wanting to pull out my hair.

He's running Win7 + Dragon Dictate, Jaws, and Jsay.

I suppose he could just keep writing code in MS Word docs, but I'd love a light IDE that could jump to error line numbers and run the open file using a shortcut.

I did research that I can turn on a screen reader option to announce the indent level of the current line, so I think Python's obsession with indentation can be managed.

I'd love any pointers on IDEs that you might have tried. It's really hard as a sighted user to judge the usefulness of a tool designed for a blind user when you can "cheat" by looking at the screen.

I've also toyed with the idea of building him another box running vinux, as it seems blind user friendly out of the box.
Vaelian 3 points 6y ago
Yes I know Python, and the problem are not the IDEs but rather the screen-readers which provide an awful user experience, and there's nothing anyone can do about that.
fastfinge 1 points 6y ago
Personally, I use $1. It hasn't been updated in 2 years, but it does everything I want it to, so I don't particularly care. Also, my language of choice is PHP (both for web stuff and lots and lots of batch scripts) so I am a terrible person whom you should probably ignore.
hfx99 2 points 6y ago
Hah! I don't look down on anyone's choice of programming language. I'd never touched Python 6 months ago, and now I'm pushing an entire team of people to standardize our custom in-house tools on it. It's totally appropriate for my current job, but it wasn't the right choice for prior jobs.

If you can't see the screen, your preferred language choice has to be impacted by that. If you have been using it for 2 years, it's definitely worth my time to setup and get my Dad to try it out. It's always a grand experiment. Some gadgets I buy/build for him get put on a shelf almost immediately, and some silly thing (a pewter mug) I bought him ended up getting used for 6+ years because it turned out to work better than what he had before.
fastfinge 3 points 6y ago
> If you can't see the screen, your preferred language choice has to be impacted by that.

Sort of. Some blind people love Python to bits, and would never use anything else; the free and open-source screen-reader $1 is written almost entirely in Python, in fact. Personally though, I can't stand it. This is largely because I started programming for myself as a teenager, and am entirely self taught. That means I have terrible habits, like never ever indenting anything ever. Thankfully, PHP doesn't care, and several excellent code formatters are available that I can use on any code I'm sharing with the wider world, or writing for work. The other reason I use PHP is because it's easy for me to write stuff that runs on the command line, then if it later develops into a tool other humans need to access, I can quickly stuff the same code into a Drupal module or Wordpress plugin or something and throw a GUI on it. So even though I realize PHP is the wrong tool most of the time, I use it anyway because it fits best into my workflow. One of these days I should learn Python. But that would mean getting into the habit of indenting code, not just letting a tool do that for me after the fact. And I just don't have that kind of discipline.
lhamil64 1 points 6y ago
How well would a Braille display work? I have enough vision to see a computer screen, so I can code normally, but I've tried screen readers to see how it would work and they definitely are a pain for code. I'm curious though if a Braille display would work better, because then couldn't you feel the symbols and stuff (I don't know Braille, can you represent characters like curly brackets and parentheses?)
Vaelian 1 points 6y ago
Parenthesis yes, I learned them. Braces and brackets, however, I'm not sure.
lhamil64 1 points 6y ago
From some googling, it looks like all of the standard punctuation can be represented in Braille, and there are people who code using Braille displays. Maybe you should give that a try?
Vaelian 1 points 6y ago
The problem is that I struggle a lot with Braille and it would require years of training until I got proficient enough to code using Braille without feeling extremely frustrated. Add to that the fact that I wouldn't be able to build anything with a graphical user interface and my choice of personal projects becomes extremely limited, so there is absolutely no motivation to code blind.
[deleted] [OP] 1 points 6y ago
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PhotoJim99 1 points 6y ago
Braille, and a braille output device, are probably going to be the best way to do coding without vision. I'd strongly suggest you start working on learning braille. It will take time but it will make your life considerably simpler later.
Vaelian 1 points 6y ago
I've learned Braille already but struggle a lot with it, plus Braille doesn't fix the user-experience problem as my hands have to move from the keyboard in order to read what I'm typing.
PhotoJim99 1 points 6y ago
I think it becomes pretty instinctive after awhile. I have a friend who's shockingly efficient at using a Braille reader.

I think there are keyboards with built-in Braille readers that would make this a lot more efficient, too.
awesomesaucesaywhat 7 points 6y ago
The same things sighted people do.
Twebty 5 points 6y ago
TV?
awesomesaucesaywhat 7 points 6y ago
Yup! Audio description makes some things accessible and other shows can be enjoyed too. Netflix has a ton of audio described content. Movie theaters also AD headphones to use.
fastfinge 6 points 6y ago
Reading fanfic. I tend to pick my fandoms based on how much fanfic is available, and how easy it is to find. So mostly Harry Potter and My Little Pony. I used to read fanfic because it gave voices to people who otherwise wouldn't be published commercially. These days, though, self-publishing is more of a thing. So I tend to just seek out light, relaxing fics, after a long day when I don't feel up for the challenge of an actual novel. I guess it's the same reason people watch reality TV maybe?

When I want something a little more involved, I play $1.

And when I feel like I do have the energy to really engage with what I'm reading, I'll pick out a novel or nonfiction book from bookshare.
PhotoJim99 4 points 6y ago
My good blind friend got into amateur radio (aka ham radio). She loves it. On the air she's just another ham. No one cares if she's blind.

She also had an advantage learning Morse code, because of her ability to focus on sounds. There's a surprising amount of Morse code on the airwaves because it often gets through when other signals have little chance.
rollepolley 3 points 6y ago
Some us do sports that were modify for the blind. Such as judo blind ice hockey and track and field.
singalong623 3 points 6y ago
Hi! I'm not blind, but my eyesight is starting to fade. I walk around the city and people watch, trying to visualize as many faces as I still can.
Twebty 1 points 6y ago
Why is your vision fading?
singalong623 3 points 6y ago
Hello, I am sorry for the late reply. My eyesight is fading because of overexposure to ultraviolet rays. I need to wear a cap and sunglasses during the day to "save" what little eyesight I have left. Thank you for your concern, I hope you have a nice day/night.
[deleted] [OP] 1 points 6y ago
So from not wearing sunglasses or?
singalong623 2 points 6y ago
Hi, I only wear sunglasses to protect my retina from glare and foreign particles blowing in the wind. I do take them off when sunlight fades. Thanks for the concern, I hope you have a wonderful day/night.
BARDLover 2 points 6y ago
Hike, skydive, SCUBA dive, Reddit, and YouTube.
modulus 2 points 6y ago
Reading, writing, chatting on IRC, listening to music, playing music, talking to friends, going for walks, going out to cafes...
[deleted] [OP] 1 points 6y ago
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