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Full History - 2017 - 03 - 19 - ID#60ak5w
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Depression And Loneliness (self.Blind)
submitted by nycefm
I see more often than not people with sight keeping us at arms length. Girls will not give us chances becaus they say "Oh your sweet." I see friends who push us away. Its heard for us to talk to are familys about it because they don't understand how it feels. So how can we stop people from keeping us at arms length or get more girls and friends to talk to us. Or not have a person take you to prom just because they feel sorry for you. We are people too and we have the same feelings as you. So do you find this a lot and is this why the depression and loneliness is high in the blind world?
jessie15273 7 points 6y ago
Sighted, my fiance is blind.

I think it's a lot of people being fake. It makes them feel like they are a good person, being nice. Or People always seem to think he's fragile or constantly needs help. Like last night we played monopoly. I handed him dice he rolled and I moved his piece. He kicked my butt, but I don't go easy on him. I think that's what he values, that I don't try to make myself feel better, when I do something for him, it's not with a flourish, to make him or other people notice. I put the dice in his hand and let it go, as opposed to announcing that I'll get the dice for him, does that make sense? All of the misconceptions around blind people being unable to do things are alienating, and I know as a sighted person, I'll never understand it all, but I also don't try to. Just try to make the now a little easier on him, and for us to have a great time!
jessie15273 8 points 6y ago
Ooooo I get to change my description to fiance! Score!
nycefm [OP] 1 points 6y ago
I get it a lot where I will try and ask a girl out and I treat them with the highest of respect and I'm a gentalmen to them and they still turn me down. But now a days I see the feminists gaining ground in the US and I think to my self what do they think of blind people like me? Someone who is nice to women, who values there relationship, and someone who wants to give them respect and love but only if they would open there heart and look past my blindness and see me for me. I have been told I'm a sweet heart witch I'm not sure what that means. And with friends it seams they always make up reasons for not talking and not seeing you. I was asked to prom by a girl I didn't ask her she asked me because she felt I should go. But the truth was I wanted to ask out this girl named Sofia who I have held close to my heart sence middle school. Sorry for ranting. :) best luck to you and your husband and may god bless your marriage.
Terry_Pie 2 points 6y ago
Alright, this reply might get a bit long, but I'm hoping to cover everything you've touched on in your thread and its replies.

Regarding the interaction between disability and Feminism, I've actually had that conversation a couple of times with a mate of mine who has cerebral palsy. Our conclusions are that there are versions of Feminist thought which indirectly devalue people (males particularly) with disability. Basically it comes about through a line of argument that considers men (or women) who are not independent as inferior and men who are reliant on women as immoral/detestable (ditto the women that choose or allow themselves to be "exploited" - I'm being deliberately provocative here). The indirect implication of course is that people with disability who may need some support (the rolling of dice in a game of Monopoly, to continue the example) are detestable/immoral (and again, ditto women who support them/assist their independence etc).

Now, this is really important, first up: Feminists are not one faceless group of individuals. Feminism is a nuanced school of thought and it is important to ascribing actions and positions of someone who proclaims themselves a Feminist to all who proclaim themselves Feminists. Secondly, I suspect if you pushed the Feminist who did appear to hold the views I've outlined above, they would either strengthen their argument to remove the indirect consequence or concede the point that it is a logical weakness. That's my take on it all at least, I'm not up with Feminist thought and have never taken to theories born out of Marxism (the idea we can interpret the world through class struggle). That's not to say I haven't read them, I'm just a blend of classical liberal and realist in the school of political economy. (For the record, I've a Bach. International Studies, Honours (First Class) in International Relations).

As for my take on the wider topic. I've never had a girl turn me down because I'm blind. Nor have any of the girlfriends I've had, love interests or friends in general write me off or stay away because I'm blind. In fact none of them have even thought much about it and often people forget I'm blind. The reason for this is largely because I'm legally blind and can still do a lot with the vision I still have (central in my left eye). But I do ask people to read menus for me (and have done for a while now) and sometimes other things (e.g. letters), help telling colours apart, guidance at night or in low light, and of course transportation.

I am currently single though, and have been for a while now (~9mths). Finding girlfriends is Hard and I really regret neglecting social interaction with the majority of those I went to uni with in favour of alcohol and World of Warcraft (and later Company of Heroes. Can't play either of them now, so woops, poor life choices). Now I'm working and I don't have those opportunities to meet people that schooling or casual/non-career work provides. Does that make me a sad panda? Yep. Do I let that stop me? Nope. Because if you don't try, you won't ever achieve.

To me the secret is really ignoring your sight. You just do what you do to get done what you need to get done. If you start fixating on your sight being rubbish, then you'll come undone because suddenly you'll start taking the view of "woe is me" and no one wants to be around that. That's not to say I'm a very dark, sarcastic, self-deprecating cynic, I am. But I know if I go "well, I -could- go to such and such, but it is dark and I'm unfamiliar with the locality" I'm never going to get anywhere.
tymme 1 points 6y ago
Can I ask your general age? This sounds a lot like myself during high school and early college. I got up the nerve to ask one girl out after several months of general niceties both ways (nothing over-the-top) and she thought I was nice but it wasn't time for a boyfriend. (I was about two weeks to early, apparently, because she started going out with someone else then.)

I was lucky enough to be on the Internet when it was more of a hobbyist thing. I met most of my girlfriends (including my fiancee) online first. Even the ones I met in real life first included a lot of talking online- one was a co-worker that made up a cousin I was talking to until she got to know me a bit better; the other was a friend of a friend that I talked with at night.

The biggest thing, imo, is that maturity makes a big difference... on both sides. In high school and both times in college (right out of high school and again 20 years later), I picked up on the same vibes from most women. There will be some that stand out, but a majority just aren't ready at that point. It's not "harder", it's just more "different" than many want to undertake with everything else going on.

Reeking of desperation, "please talk to me, be close to me", etc., pushed some girls I'd originally gotten close to, away. I usually stumbled into another relationship when I'd gotten to the point of "it'll happen when it'll happen". I think the being online part and being able to bring up my vision issues when/how I wanted helped, but really was secondary.
Bourne9 1 points 6y ago
We can't let this kind of perspective become a reality. Trust me, I understand exactly where you're coming from. Unfortunately, most people don't, and when they look at us, they will feel sympathy, rather than automatic attraction and respect. These are barriers we have to break in a calm and determined way. Our road is more challenging than most, but also that much more rewarding. At least, that's what I believe.
ravenshadow2013 1 points 6y ago
people have taught me to stay away, i am married but in general most of the peoplei come in contact would rather not have to speak to me or even acknowledge my existnce
nycefm [OP] 2 points 6y ago
Yeah I get that a lot, people wanting to stay away.
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