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If you were creating a blind character (in any genre) what would he/she be like? (self.Blind)
submitted by HailDaHailu
(And I do mean any genre- I just talk about fantasy and science fiction below because those are my favourites. I also mean both heroes and villains - and everywhere in between- if you wanna go that way.)

Just wondering - due to thinking that out of the blind main characters in the fantasy/ science fiction genre that I know -

Adeliza Golding from an awesome book called $1 - and its audiobook - I once read - she's a human on Earth, she's deafblind and she 'sees' ghosts. Set in Victorian times.

Toph from Avatar: The Last Airbender

Kanaan Jarrus from Star Wars Rebels,

Chirrut Imwe from Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

(recently) The Doctor in Doctor Who

I never got to finish the Visitors (might pick it back up again) - but I'd say possibly due to her environment (being a normal, human girl on normal Earth with no time travel, magic nor midichlorians) Adeliza would be the most 'realistic' character - alongside Laureth from $1 - and its $1. Both girls need to go on a journey to other countries (Laureth without her parents for the first time) and both need thier family and friends to help them, yet both of them are at the age where they need to start making descions for themselves. I'd say Not Invisible is targeted at a younger demographic but it's got a lot to do with mathematical secrets if you're into that. (spoilers...)

I thought that only the Doctor was the second most 'realistic' (as far as fantasy can go) because he actually had to use assistive software to help him. Also, perhaps this is because unlike the others, he has no ability to use or sense the Force (a Star Wars thing) or Earth-bending skills (an Avatar thing). If you think about it he's a guy with two hearts, a screwdriver and sunglasses.

(followed some way behind in the realism category by Chirrut Imwe, as he was blind and roughly able to sense the force from birth, and its not inconceivable that he would have learnt martial arts while being a Gaurdian of the Whills.

But I wondered, if creating a blind character in the science fiction genre, there are definitely a million and one things that could be done differently.

Possibly double for the fantasy genre, where there may or may not be any assistive technology to help the character due to possibly being set in the past or an '''uncivilised''' world. (If in the present - no excuse.)

But what are these things that could be done differently?

I have an idea of one from what I'm getting from you guys - to make them normal - not to make them have special powers *because* they're blind, or to make them need others because of thier blindness, or to make them so independent it's unrealistic. But then again, I'd definitely take the character's backstory and thier own likes and relationships into account, like you would with any character.

(Also, any cool blind fantasy/ science fiction authors you guys could recommend? Should they be the only ones allowed to write blind characters -or should other authors at least get tips from people who are blind/ know blind people IRL :) )

What about the idea of a blind villian/morally confused- Lawful Evil character?



blindjo 5 points 6y ago
I'm not a big sci fi or fantasy person, but i would love the idea of seeing more blind people in fiction! I'm more into comedy/slice of life works.

I want a legally blind character that still has some functional vision so badly! Unfortunately, because so many people get all of their "information" about disability from the media, many people are unaware that partial blindness is an option (and not just "hee hee i can't see without my glasses"). I'd also like to see more young visually impaired character because most people associate poor sight with old age. Perhaps sighted people's misconceptions could become a humorous conflict for the characters, because that often is an annoying thing we have to deal with.

As a different commenter pointed out, it would be great to have a wide range of personality types (lazy, helpful, slutty, smart, rude, evil, funny, etc) portrayed. I just don't like seeing character's who's personality is the just direct result of their visual impairment. Some features can be directly connected to it, but give 'em some separate backstory too! Do they have a love interest? A dream job? A pet peeve? A deep rooted fear?

Personally, i feel toph from avatar is a great example. Her sight did impact her in some negative ways- her parents kept her sheltered. But she still had ambitions that weren't because of or in spite of her blindness. She wanted to become an awesome earthbender because she wanted to become an awesome earthbender dammit. She had a unique and witty personality too.

If a story is more realistic and set in modern times, i'd love to see actual assitive tech and canes being used. I'm not sure how well this would work out in a sci fi or fantasy piece, as you pointed out earlier, but it would be great if they could be incorporated into the narrative. In addition to being partially blind myself, i also work with a lot of visually impaired children. Sometimes, they're reluctant to use alternative techniques to approaching tasks because they think it's not cool, but perhaps they'd feel more comfortable if they saw normal characters using the same devices/tools in the media.

A blind villian/morally confused character can totally work! Btw, thanks for actually considering asking people for their thoughts before writing about us. It'd much aopreciated!


HailDaHailu [OP] 1 points 6y ago
Visually impaired fan theorist here (I can see quite a lot of things, but particularly my $1 at the moment is quite visual and attracting fan artists at the time of writing - so if I don't get something I ask my redditor friends and the fan artists.) (OK, ok, sorry for the plug. Won't do it again.)

I agree- can't think of any book/film with a visually impaired *but not blind person* in it. I reasoned because 'we weren't interesting enough' (^although ^ihmo ^we ^are...).... hmm... What about a story *about* a visually impaired fan theorist (more v.i than me)...

I really like how they portrayed Toph. Haven't watched the Last Airbender in a long while (and completely missed the new series, Legend of Korra - where I found Toph runs a metal-bending dojo...) But yeah, Toph *knows* she's independent and wants to prove it, while her parents want to protect her and even stop her from travelling with Aang, Katara and the gang, as they think she can't. (I think sometimes, even in that sort of relationship realistically there's times when its the other way around. irl can confirm.) I just now watched a short compilation of funny Toph moments - and realised what an awesome character they made... I want to link it but for some reason all youtube thing just disappeared, and it wants me to log in to my google acount. Wierd.

edit: $1 - i guess some of them may have been bad taste, but Toph appears like she doesn't care.

And $1 is a compilation of when she beats the Boulder - when she's teaching Aang (I forgot how tough a teacher she was) and... seems she, like Anakin, doesn't like sand.... for both there is a character reason, but for her waaay more of a reason.

>actual assitive tech

Like they at least mentioned in Doctor Who as of late (sonic sunglasses can do echolocation Ihmo - they are sonic after all, hence the 'green lines' that sighted audiences see)... but I agree with the guys here in that they **SHOULD HAVE** called that 'thing on the computer that reads to you' - screen readers by name. I also think his sonic screwdriver, while short, could work as a 'white cane' in a way...

Still, I have a theory on why the Doctor doesn't have such things - most of it is because he doesn't WANT anyone to know he's blind at the start because he's the one thinking of it as a weakness, and not the writers. (More like Kaanan... the Doctor became blind due to a space complication while protecting his new companion Bill, while Kaanan was injured by Maul while protecting his apprentice Ezra.) (The metaphor extends! - except Kanaan *told* his friends.)

If I work at it, I could post said theory today. :)

> Btw, thanks for actually considering asking people for their thoughts before writing about us.

Aw, shucks. Thanks... Wait, I don't have a story in mind if that's what you mean... yet.... (fanfic on the other hand.......)

I'm sure the kids you help appreciate you doing your job. :) I'm using JAWS at the moment to test what it can read on reddit, but I don't rely on it... I have another theory some screen readers can help with learning HTML to an extent ... (lists, headings, graphics with alt text - <alt ="text"> and so on are all picked up by such software...but yeah, it's hard to get to grips with if you (think you) don't need it...)

HailDaHailu [OP] 1 points 6y ago
>If I work at it, I could post said theory today. :)

Hmm.. I meant TODAY!
JackEsq 2 points 6y ago
I read the sci-fi $1 based on a recommendation from this sub. It takes place in modern day and the main character is a teenage girl who has been blind from birth. My understanding (my daughter is still too young to use assistive devices) is it has a relatively accurate depiction of using assertive technology.

I think too often depictions in media fall into the trope of "they are blind but can "see" using other senses or magic." This is especially true for science fiction.
HailDaHailu [OP] 1 points 6y ago
Nice... will check out.

>too often depictions in media fall into the trope of "they are blind but can "see" using other senses or magic." This is especially true for science fiction.

Yeah... most often because the plot requires it to BUT I see what you're saying. Like (I found this recently) - in Star Trek, Georgi La Forge uses a $1 - and of course the Doctor's sonic sunglasses. Theory soon incoming on why these at least make sense...

Would that be like someone saying 'oh, when a blind person uses the computer, they aren't blind any more because they've got a screen reader?'

Despite the fact that, yes, they're still blind, they just use something to help them and tell them quite a lot of things about thier virtual environment to put them on a level field with other non-blind users. Maybe instead the approach could be 'This person is blind and they use screen readers (/insert futuristic tech/magic here) to interpret the world. These have thier advantages but also some disadvantages.'

For instance as Toph used her earthbending to feel where she was, she preferred to be on the ground where she could feel (so flying would be a disadvantage for her), and sand made everything 'fuzzy' because she's sensing coarse, rough and irritating sand grains.

And $1 in Rogue One appears to have been trained in martial arts from we don't know when, but it appears he also uses echolocation from blasters- and is not officially 'force sensitive' (although, even if he was, this actually puts him in danger, as during this time all Force sensitives/Jedi were supposed to be purged...)
Silverottawa 2 points 6y ago
"I want to suck your eyesight" great line
HailDaHailu [OP] 1 points 6y ago
the horror... :)

Quick WIP: blind vampire (for example see the silent German film $1 which i tried to describe as much as i could but unfortunately is now archived)
...

but in this quickly created fic idea - instead of sucking blood she literally *does* suck people's eyesight in order to see again for as long as she can... And then *they* become blind, and slowly learn to cope with it over time, but they need to know who's responsible... (As this is getting too Day of the Triffids-y (TLDR: old classic story in which walking plants led to blindness - which was portrayed as weakness for a whole population until the walking plants and the scientist behind them were defeated) - the person/people discovering her *must also* be blind/ vis impaired. From birth- maybe someone is a direct victim of her though.)

Morally grey as she doesn't want to outright *kill* anyone, but after becoming undead just wants to see again, and maybe has a particular person she wants to look upon again... (perhaph's she also used by the evil hidden in plain sight...)

Just gave away a whole possible storyline on reddit... um... I only ask if anyone *really* does use this idea (however unlikely it may be) - put it on my sub r/Spacevampires. (~~and... credit... me....~~ - Nah, you don't have to.)

Edit: Oooh... Jaws can't read reddit's strikethrough text... interesting...)
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preiman790 2 points 6y ago
Well I am a completely blind science fiction author, so I can think of at least one, but if you mean well-known, yeah I can't think of any.
As to blind characters, I've written one and I'm writing another. The one I have written is a sort of assassin/spy in a science-fiction universe, he has artificial eyes that allow him to see better than most people do. So he's really only blind in a very technical sense, because of his very technical senses. Sorry had to do it.
The other ,the one I'm working on now, is a mage in a fantasy world. He started out life as a mercenary, but was blinded in battle, once he became blind he realized that all the lines and colors that he always thought were part of the regular world, were actually something else and he realized that he always had the ability to see the flows of magic, he just never knew what they were. He can use these lines these flows to control and direct his magic, but it is acknowledged that while this is a very rare gift and one that, were they to have discovered it while he could still see would have made him one of the greatest mages who ever lived, instead it simply allows him to be a mage at all.
It is that last point, that was so important to me. I wanted to write a character who had to overcome a disability, a disability that did in fact limit them, not just something that got overcome or cured, not something that turned out to be a blessing in disguise, or something that just made them stronger.
He is not necessarily a nice person, he is not inspirational, he's kind of an asshole at times, because that's who he is. I genuinely feel it's important that blind people are represented as many different ways as possible, as good, as bad, as strong, as weak, as nice, as not nice as powerful, and as not so powerful. Because it is only when people are exposed to varied and nuanced portrayals of blind people will they realize that blind people are, exactly that, people.
As to the question of "should only blind people be allowed to write blind people" absolutely not, that being said yeah it's probably a good idea to actually talk to blind people before you do it. I mean, you wouldn't write a book set in Harlem without actually spending a little time researching it, you wouldn't write a Chicano character without having talk to a few, why would you think you could write a blind person without having spent time with one?
HailDaHailu [OP] 1 points 6y ago
> why would you think you could write a blind person without having spent time with one?

I was checking out about why the writers of Doctor Who made him blind. Did they know someone who was? Or did they just think its a gimmick for a story?

Ok, from reading a bit around, I think it's the 'idea for a story' one - *that said* they know that they need to be accurate in other ways with what they're doing - see $1...
from what I can tell, Moffat wanted... a twist, a shock, but he didn't come up with the Doctor being blind. He says someone called 'Jamie' wrote that in, but had that Nardole fixed his sight after. Moffat *liked* the Doctor going blind, and though this idea of removing it right after cheapened it, so kept that the doctor was still blind.

I think it's unlikely he'd think only 2 episodes is long enough. My two cents though.
HailDaHailu [OP] 1 points 6y ago
>Well I am a completely blind science fiction author, so I can think of at least one

Whoop whoop! Hi. Can I just say your ideas sound awesome, especially your mage. You *should* be well known!

I guess the character or their society discovering something that previously was inaccessible would be cool (hold up, did your assasin invent his artificial eyes?)

And yeah, I get that you want to have them -trying- to overcome blindness, and not just suddenly having overcome it within one episode... that said, I assume you may or may not watch Doctor Who? Where are you on the whole 'Capaldi's doctor goes blind' debate? I'm theorising about it... sort of...

I like that you figure out 'who the characters are' - their personality... I once made a story where the bad guy's long lost sister was blind, and due to this position and her other circumstances she's sort of lawful evil... but tries not to be... (yet i never finished it)

>why would you think you could write a blind person without having spent time with one?

Exactly.
preiman790 2 points 6y ago
Thanks working on the whole better known thing.
no he didn't invent his own eyes he's part of a program in which everybody is augmented rather heavily turning them into better agents for their employer, so to speak.
Honestly I have not watched Doctor Who in quite some time, i'm not loving what I'm hearing about the whole doctor goes blind thing, but I am reserving personal judgment on the grounds that I have no context, or first hand experience, just peoples opinions.
HailDaHailu [OP] 1 points 6y ago
Yeah... I think I see what they mean, but i didn't get that feeling while watching. Then again, I'm not blind.

When I make my theory I'll link you, that OK? (oops... it better be good now...) :)

>he's part of a program in which everybody is augmented rather heavily turning them into better agents for their employer

Wooah! Awesome!

Good luck, man.
preiman790 2 points 6y ago
I look forward to it.
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