Thoughts on OrCam's Smart Glasses for the Visually Impaired (& Blind)?(orcam.com)
submitted by garythevisionary
Marconius3 points6y ago
I got to use this technology when the LightHouse here in San Francisco hosted a small accessible tech conference. They were ledding people come up to try it out, wearing a set of glasses with the primary camera connected to one of the templates with a wire heading down to a bulky computer control system. I really did not like the system, the technology is novel and functions, but there are much more faster, efficient, and cheaper ways to accomplish everything the Orcam offers just by using an iPhone.
I was given a laminated piece of paper that had information about the technology, held it in front of my face and pressed a switch on the computer control device. The camera took a picture and shortly there after began reading the text on the paper to me. While you can pause the voice that is reading the text to you, there is absolutely no way to go back and granularly work your way through characters or words, paragraphs or lines like you can with KMFB reader. It has very basic facial recognition, but The camera and voiceover description functionality on the iPhone or through something like Facebook works exactly the same and is faster.
It has object recognition functionality, and I was given a small spice jar to put in front of my face for it to recognize, but again, it's nothing that the iPhone can't do when using an app like DigitEyes or be my eyes. I was having a really hard time finding justifications for the bulky technology and the price during the demonstration, so personally this just isn't anything useful to me nor is it anything I would want the department of rehabilitation to waste money on for me.
garythevisionary [OP]1 points6y ago
Gotcha. Definitely understand that, so good to know! I've heard that they're designing a new, sleeker design that's a bit less bulky, although I'm not sure when exactly that will be released or how expensive that would be. I also didn't know about these iPhone apps, so good to know as well! I've also heard about eSight, but personally I really don't like the way it looks--big and bulky on your face. I like that OrCam is a bit sleeker and more subtle, attaching to reading glasses. Thanks for these tips--I'll definitely research my decision a bit more. :)
garythevisionary [OP]2 points6y ago
Hi--I myself haven't tried OrCam, but I have friends who have and they say that they're really helpful, advanced, and easy to use. I guess essentially they're smart glasses for the blind that allow you to read, recognize text, or recognize faces via the point of a finger. I think it's a really cool concept, but I myself haven't had much experience with them. I'm looking into it in the near future, because although they are a bit pricey, to me it would be entirely worth it to re-gain my independence in regards to reading. I know there are several products out there, but I heard from friends that this is one of the best. Thanks everyone for your thoughts and opinions! I will respond to each of you once I have a bit more time :)
SLJ71 points6y ago
You're basically paying thousands of dollars to skip the step of learning a smartphone. The AT industry is loaded with incredibly overpriced tech, and this is no exception. I know hundreds of blind people and haven't met a single one who thinks this is a good idea. Face recognition has gone mainstream, so if there's not already an app to do this, there probably will be soon. I've been doing everything else on my smartphone for years. My phone recognizes barcodes, text and objects, and I can easily call up a random person across the world if I need realtime help. I can't really understand why someone would want this.
bradley221 points6y ago
Hello.
I tried OrCam when I went to sight village in London.
Honestly it's not worth the price.
I got to walk outside with it. When I asked how a blind person is ment to know where signs are and all that, the answer was, wel i'm not actually completely sure I got an answer if i'm being honest. I do know they showed me that I can point at signs and have OrCam read them to me but there's a couple of problems with the system: 1. There is no way, what so ever to read word by word letter by letter and paragraph by paragraph.
2. There is no way to save the information. When I pointed that out to the demo guy, he told me that I was "very smart with tech," (in other words, "Oh crap, this guy knows what he's talking about...") Then tried to tell me that it would help those blind people who are older and not as good at using tech as I am. I'm sorry but no, no it won't.
3. When reading websites outloud the machine forgets that there's a dot in w w w dot. For example; w w w dot google dot com would be read as, w w w, google, com. As you can tell this is not very useful at all. What was The persons answer to that? Well you know there's a dot there don't you? I do, but without any way to save onto the machine I would have to rely on my memory which is quite bad at the best of times.
I honestly do not see this as a useful piece of equipment what so ever. The IPhone can do this, and all the aps I have on my phone apart from KNFB reader are free.
I will admit that Orcams system is faster than KNFB reader or Tap tap see, but that in no way means i'd spend that amount of money on it.
I'd like to know how the people who came up with OrCam thought the blind person would 1. know where the signs are on their streat or where ever it is they are walking and 2. point at them in such a way that they would get great reading and not the wall or something like that instead. This system in my oppinion should be taken off the market as there are free apps for IPhone and Android.
I would not want a college to spend their money on this and if they offered it to me I'd not take it.
garythevisionary [OP]1 points6y ago
Hahaha gotcha, fair enough. I definitely agree with your remarks--it is interesting to think about how you're supposed to know where exactly to point in order to read. I guess it's just something that you have to get used to over time? Not exactly sure. Personally, if it's worthwhile, I don't mind paying the price. But if it's not, of course no. I just think it might be worthwhile to be able to read on my own, and I think it looks much sleeker than a lot of other products I've seen on the market.
bradley221 points6y ago
I can deffinetly understand that. Having said that remember, you're not going to always get a nice string of words. Sometimes it can be quite messed up. Are you blind or VI? If you're blind, you might want to look into KNFB reader, tap tap see or prismo go, these are all apps to help you read, KNFB reader and Prismo go, and to get info on objects, Tap tap see. I hope this helps.
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doodoobrown5301 points6y ago
I just saw a demonstration of the technology and I'd have to say, while it does work as advertised, it's not worth the $2,500 (for the text only version) or the $3,500 (for the version that can identify faces, objects, money). There are so many other alternatives that can perform those tasks for a fraction of the costs. The only true benefit is for people who like to read in bed. That was something that was impossible for most OCR technologies until the Orcam came to the market. It's innovative, but it's just not quite there yet. Also, it's priced well beyond its value to consumers.
garythevisionary [OP]1 points6y ago
Gotcha, good to know! I see what you're saying...I heard they're coming out with a new product called MyMe that you can wear on your clothes, an AI type of vision software although I'm not exactly sure how it works either. I see the value of reading in bed, but if you think the other features aren't worth it, I definitely understand.
-shacklebolt-1 points6y ago
Saw a demo, wasn't very impressed. When I asked how someone who is a low partial or completely blind could use the glasses in real life, the explanation I got was basically that they send you a trainer and you learn where to point.
The actual glasses and battery unit were bulky and unremarkable. The recognition seemed fine.
I have knfb reader on my iphone. It has fine navigation options, speech, braille, and large print access, the ability to save files, and works great. Object recognition tasks (keep in mind orcam only works with up to 100 faces, and 150 items!) can also be done with my phone. Why would I pay $3500 for this system?
You can say that it's more convenient with glasses. But I mean, how often am I going to be in a situation where someone I know well enough to have saved their face in my glasses isn't going to verbally greet me, and I'd decide to pull out my glasses and battery pack for a solution?
If I had $3500 to spend on any solution like this, maybe I'd get Aira. That seems more generally useful for a bigger variety of tasks (although month-to-month instead of one time purchase) and isn't just things I can do with my cell phone.
garythevisionary [OP]1 points6y ago
Gotcha--thanks for your opinion! I honestly didn't realize that there are so many options nowadays on phones. I think I mostly liked the idea of being able to read on my own, and I could definitely get used to learning how to point, that doesn't bother me much. Nevertheless, I will be looking into those soon :) thanks for your POV!
-shacklebolt-1 points6y ago
I'm a little confused. In a previous post you wrote:
> "They are a bit pricey, but I think it's worth it to have more independence--I've found it to be extremely helpful for everyday life, and it's helped me tremendously with my vision loss. Definitely recommend you check this one out, although I know there's tons of products that are similar out there, so do some research. Hopefully this helps, I know they've helped me a lot."
Now you are saying you don't own the device and have never used it. Which is it?
On a practical note, KNFB reader does the primary job of orcam (reading text) for 4% of the cost of the cheapest model of orcam, using a device most people already have (a smartphone.)
If you have a lot of money you want to throw around to get all the blindness gadgets, sure why not? If you're getting funding for this (or would struggle to afford it) there are much cheaper products that accomplish the same tasks. In that case, I recommend getting an evaluation and seeing product demos from assisstive technology specialists if you haven't already.
Honestly, I feel like a lot of these "low vision" type devices (esight, orcam, etc) kinda "take advantage" of people's desperation to do things the same way they used to, and their unfamiliarity with other adaptive tech and methods desgigned for blind people.
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