I am a software developer looking for ideas to develop new technologies to assist the blind visually impaired. As such I am posting here to ask about anything issues faced that are currently unmet by existing products. Particularly I am interested in helping newly impaired individuals adjust.
EndlessReverberation2 points6y ago
I think an interactive NVDA tutorial for beginners would be a great project. NVDA is a powerful, open source, free screen reader that many blind people, such as myself, use every day. A screen reader is the primary program that most blind people use to access a computer; NVDA is the second most popular screen reader for Windows, and it is growing in popularity. The fact that NVDA's biggest competitor cost almost one thousand dollars is one of many reasons for NVDA's popularity, and it makes the program an especially attractive option for people who have recently lost their sight.
However, it can be very difficult for newly blind people to learn a program such as NVDA. This is why I believe an interactive tutorial for NVDA would be a very useful and powerful project for you to consider.
I'm pretty sure that it would be a reasonably manageable project; as I mentioned NVDA is open source, and people write extensions for it all of the time. Plus the founders are really cool and responsive, they might be able to give you feedback about the idea, and if you made something really cool, maybe they would add it to the official release version.
One possible idea I have for this kind of project would be an interactive tutorial similar to what Apple has for it's mac OS screen reader, VoiceOver. This tutorial walks you through all of the basic concepts and methods you need to use the program. If you want to check out this tutorial you can pull it up on any mac by either hitting command, f5, or triple tapping the finger print reader while holding down command, on touch bar macs.
For my wife's job she recommends technology for blind students; she is always pushing for NVDA, but teacher's always say that the competing program that cost one thousand dollars has better training materials, so they would rather have the state buy that option. A well done, user friendly, tutorial could be a major factor in allowing more people to go for NVDA, which would save the state, and individuals, countless amounts of money. Also, NVDA has become a life changer for thousands of people in third world countries, who would never be able to afford access to computers without this powerful screen reader.
Just an idea, thought I would throw it out there.
Amonwilde2 points6y ago
Some things worth looking into:
1. Machine learning that can analyze a GUI, pick out the buttons, and present them linearly to a screen reader. Many interfaces aren't accessible to screen readers, some logic that could intelligently parse onscreen elements would be welcome. 2. Consumer-quality laser rangefinder / sonar object detector. This is the kind of thing you can build with an arduino but something properly tested would be useful. 3. Going outside the box here, but an echolocation device that would send a sonar pulse into the nearby environment and return a sonification of that ping could potentially be useful. A few blind individuals have trained themselves to navigate with sound and have expressed an interest in this technology, and perhaps these soundscapes could open up this form of navigation to others.
I'll note that all of these might have commercial applications outside of accessibility. 2 and 3 would be useful in robotics, for example, and GUI detection could be used by developers in automatic testing of applications, to list just one use.
74paddycakes [OP]1 points6y ago
What do you think of a program that would return a sonification of a GUI?
Amonwilde2 points6y ago
There's work on that here: https://www.seeingwithsound.com/
Yes, that would be useful, but only really for the totally blind. Partially sighted people often get a "sense" or gestalt of the GUI but not the specifics. The other issue is interaction--even if a user gets a sense of an interface from a sonification, they still likely won't be able to interact with it.
I will say that there are a lot of weekend projects by people wanting to help the VI community. It's a lot easier to get a blog post, paper, GitHub repo, or press release than it is to create a business model or help the VI community in a sustainable way. I'm not saying not to do a cool project around these ideas, but I will say you should try to involve people from the community and to keep your rhetoric realistic rather than breathless. The pushback you've received in this thread I'm guessing is a product of the breathless rhetoic and promises of a utopian future that a lot of VI people now have a bad reaction to.
You can PM me if you have other questions. I'm a coder and VI.
awesomesaucesaywhat2 points6y ago
An app that helps developers/web admins test and experience their websites with a text to speech program would probably be most helpful. We have the technology to read the websites, but only if they are created properly.
bradley221 points6y ago
Hi. We already have NVDA for that. I'll admit that the voices aren't very nice for beginners but once you learn how to change the voice, you can test sites with no problem.
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impablomations2 points6y ago
> Why is this device useless for blind peple? Well; you kind of have to see to use it. There's no point whereing a pare of glasses with a camra on it if you can't see where these signs and all that are now, is there?
A lot of visually impaired people do have some sight though. I'm not bad at long distance or mid range, but closer up I struggle a lot due to my narrow visual field, especially with writing on food packets or following a recipe book on my kitchen bench.
Having to stop, wash my hands (if I'm handling raw meat or something), then pick up the book and magnifier, find my place in the text and read along 1 word at a time is a major pain in the arse and very time consuming. It takes a lot of the fund out of cooking, something I previously loved doing.
That Orcam sounds quite useful to me. Can't hold a phone or tablet in one hand, a recipe book in the other hand, a food item in the third hand and a knife in a fourth hand.
Different people have different levels / types of visual impairment.
I don't know if you were born blind or grew up visually impaired, but for someone who experiences sight loss later in life like myself (40s) it was incredibly hard to adjust.
>we already have everything we need
I'd have to disagree. Technology can always benefit from being improved and expanded upon.
A simpler & cheaper version of the Orcam would be good. Instead of a processing unit you have to carry around, a home use version that uses wifi or bluetooth to communicate with software running on your phone, tablet or PC would negate the need for expensive hardware, needing only the small unit that attached to your glasses.
Better for Devs to come and ask what we need or how existing technology could be improved than to just create products without consulting the product is aimed at.
bradley221 points6y ago
ah. I read the post wrong. I thought the OP was asking just for blind people and didn't read that he or she asked for VI too. I shall take my post down as it isn't actually very helpful. You're completely correct, the OrCam would be very useful for someone who can still see a little bit.
tymme1 points6y ago
Didn't see the original post but the complaints are probably valid anyway; most people tha come here don't even recognize the spectrum legally blind can entail and have pretty vague ideas of things that already exist. Cynicism in me thinks if they have to come and ask, they just see the prices of other equipment and want to go into a market that's full of stuff with huge markup/profit.
74paddycakes [OP]2 points6y ago
I'd actually prefer to create something that is low cost. Something like integrating with existing technology such as Amazon Echo.
bradley221 points6y ago
I'd not go that far myself. For myself as a blind person I do feel that most blindy equipment, as I call it, is way to expencive. I am so glad things like the IPhone exist. I can do so so much on it that sometimes i'm just blown away by what we can do as blind/vi people these days. Talking ATMS were introduced into London, (I'm not sure of the rest of the UK,) about five years ago I think and it was amazing using one for the first time. Imagine, standing in front of an ATM and hearing, "Welcome to Barclays ATM, please press five on the keypad to begin". Doing that and following the instructions, I remove my money and give some of it to my grandperrents for rent, so happy that I can finally use a bank indipendently.
bradley221 points6y ago
Having said all that. I would love a fan fiction downloader that allows you to download using author pages. I have a downloader that allows you to download from fanfiction.com and some other sites, however you can only download one fan fiction at a time. I'd like it if I could find bradley22s page, copy the URL into this fan fiction downloader and then have it download all bradley22s fan fictions to a folder, for example. Oh and have the output as TXT or HTML as that is easier for screen reader users to read than pdf files.
I'm not sure. I just looked at the site and you have to sign in with google to make it work and I don't have or want a google account. There's a plug in for caliber, (an ebook program,) but the program isn't very accessible.
fastfinge1 points6y ago
I don't know about any of that. I just use the command line version. I do have a google account, but it's part of my Google Apps for Business, so I don't like signing into strange websites with it.
bradley22-1 points6y ago
Hello.
impablomations- Homonymous Hemianopsia is refering to a comment that I made and then deleted after reading their comment as I thought it wasn't very useful. I didn't read the post fully and will do so in the future when it comes to blindness and VI posts. I have just found out that once you delete a comment, reddit does not delete the replies to your comment.
I mentioned the OrCam and how it was not useful for blind people. I still stick by that as a blind person would not be able to point at signs and use the button to take the picture. (If the blind person new where the sign was, they may be able to point at it, but i'm talking about when walking around a new city.) A VI person may be able to do so, depending on how much they can see.
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