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Has anyone had success with employment rehab services? (self.Blind)
submitted by psychgamer2014
This is a bit of a rant, but at this point I’m absolutely fed up with my state’s low vision rehab “services.” I’ll begin with a bit of background. I’m attempting to become a clinical psychologist. I recently finished my MS and was accepted to a Doctor of Psychology program, which I need financial assistance if I want to be able to afford it.

This acceptance was back in February and my state’s rehab services refuse to approve the program. Their first reason was something to do with me getting accepted at the end of the fiscal year. After that, they tried telling me flat out that I don’t have the intelligence to succeed in a doctoral program and become a practicing psychologist. Now, their latest excuse is some policy that states that I have to apply to four open psychologist positions, be rejected four times, and obtain a letter from each place of employment explaining why I wasn’t hired.

They have a track record of these kinds of actions. One of my undergraduate psychology professors was a contracted psychologist with the state (i.e. he provided therapy to people that were going blind and/or adjustment to blindness). One day, he got an email from the state telling him that providing therapy to individuals going blind is not necessary, thus they weren’t going to pay him. He said it came very close to him suing for his money.

I apologize for the venting, but at this point, I’m at a loss as to what to do. I’ve gone up the chain of command and the higher ups refuse to speak to me and just email my counselor, who assures me that they are “following all procedures for my best interest as a blind person becoming a doctor, letting alone earning a doctorate, is a grandiose employment goal.”
reseatshisglasses 3 points 6y ago
Local news stations and local news papers. Send a tweet or social media to local and state representative. Social pressure and institutional pressure can help.
psychgamer2014 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
That’s not a bad idea! Thank you for the suggestion. I’m assuming you’ve been through a similar situation?
reseatshisglasses 1 points 6y ago
I had a friend with muscular dystrophy who had a terrible time with SSI. He could barely move one hand and they were going to take his SSI. For a few years they kept having to re approve his disability and if his paperwork wasn't just right, they'd pull it and have him reapply. So he called and sent letters to the mayors office, our senators and congressman. Not mean words but just to explain and ask for help intervening in the situation. He didn't hear back from anyone but SSI did the fastest turnabout he'd ever seen to correct an issue. And never had a problem with them again.

In his and your situation it's necessary to take advantage of peoples willingness to help and desire to be seen helping. A politician would love to have that on his record. The news likes to champion. Calls and letters might not blow up all over the media but they can very well get someones boss to make a few calls on your behalf.
psychgamer2014 [OP] 2 points 6y ago
I’m so sorry that your friend went through so much crap just to get SSI. That’s another battle I’m currently fighting and have been for several years now. It’s an incredibly long story, but it boils down to a paperwork error as I was approved previously due to statutory blindness. I recently called my state’s disability determination office and got hung up on multiple times.

At this point I’ll definitely be sending a few letters and making some phone calls.
reseatshisglasses 2 points 6y ago
I know you'll get the SSI soon enough. Never give up and you'll get it.
B-dub31 3 points 6y ago
Find out who your state representative and senator (state, not federal) are and tell them what you told us. Ask for written policies outlining the criteria used for funding post-secondary education.

My first thought is that since you might be able to work as a MA level counselor, that somehow disqualifies you for this funding. But after they questioned your intelligence, I'm suspecting something different.

If you've not used vocational rehab benefits before, then surely they should pay something toward your program. I wouldn't give up until someone shows you a policy that clearly states that they won't pay for graduate education.
psychgamer2014 [OP] 3 points 6y ago
I sincerely appreciate your input. Contacting the state representative and senator was going to be my next step as I have asked for written documentation of their policies, which they’ve refused to give me. The more I try to get things in writing, the more they dodge my questions or flat out ignore me.

The interesting thing is that they partially funded my MS degree, which I got through with flying colors; however, they’re throwing a fit over me pursuing a doctorate degree. The counselor that questioned my intelligence was an incredibly narcissistic and rude woman that claimed she was providing psychotherapy to me, demanded that I disclose my mental health history, and told me that, and I quote, “your choice to not use psychotropics shows me that you know nothing about psychology and would make a horrible doctor. If you’re so smart, go to medical school and become a psychiatrist.” She also cited my “piss poor” undergraduate grades (A’s and B’s). There was also commentary about my area of specialization (anxiety, PTSD, and transgender/LGBT issues) being “worthless.” She has since been fired.

Like I said, they partially funded my MS degree, so I’m not sure what the issue is here. I have a meeting with the counselor in a couple of weeks to try to make my case once more. I’ve prepped with a 17 page stack of job listings that they’ve forced me to apply to and be rejected by. It’s times like this that I wish that I were a lawyer.
B-dub31 1 points 6y ago
You can file a Freedom of Information Act request in writing to the vocational rehab department and they must provide you with copies of the policies you request. However, they will probably charge a fee for providing it. Your state rep or senator will likely get it for you for free.

I suspect you will find nothing in the policies that would prevent them from providing you financial aid unless its a limit on post- secondary educational funding per client. I suspect your former counselor was just a horrible human being who didn't want you surpassing her achievement. The government has no excuse for discrimination if that is indeed what happened. If so, you should consult with a good attorney regarding your potential case.

psychgamer2014 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
I appreciate all of your advice and insight. I’m going to pursue the Freedom of Information Act tomorrow morning. I agree with you that there is most likely not a limit on education, as such a policy would indeed be discrimination.

I also agree on my former counselor being a horrible human being. I distinctly remember her going on about how her MS thesis was over 300 pages and that her university supposedly offered her a PhD instead of her MS for an extra $10,000 cash due to the thesis length. I call total BS on her story and, looking back, I think she at least had a mild case of narcissistic personality disorder.

Part of my MS program involved taking multiple “psychological law” classes, which covered things like contracts, torts, and the laws of involuntary confinement, among other things. My current counselor and I signed a contract under the “old policies” that essentially stated that they would provide financial assistance; however, nothing has been signed under the new policies. I’m thinking that counseling an attorney wouldn’t be a bad idea at this point.
tymme 1 points 6y ago
It's a lot like any other job. Some are good, some aren't.

Very first one I had (circa 2002) said computers/internet were a fad and was going to get me a job filling vending machines. My SO moved to start school and I went with her.

Similarly, most recent counselor was pretty bad. I had to copy her supervisor several times when I wasn't getting responses. Some was cultural (her culture was designed to have more dominance than I usually provided), but eventually got connected into a placement agency that did a much better job.

Also had the best counselor in the state (according to other counselors and some professionals). She got me a bunch of information on many different things, assessments, etc., and definitely helped.

Definitely go up the ladder (however far is necessary) just like with any other bad servioce. I guess that's harder to do if it's everyone, though. You may want to go different avenues (like through school support instead of DVR) to see if there are other paths, too.
psychgamer2014 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
I'm thankful that I'm not the only one that has had difficulty with these VR counselors. One of the main issues I've noticed with them in general is that they act like experts in fields in which they don't have expertise, such as your counselor stating that the Internet/computers were going to get you a vending machine job. My first counselor once tried telling me that I'd run out of patients because my specialty areas (anxiety, depression, PTSD, and LGBT/transgender issues) aren't “profitable.” She got even more pissed off when I told her it's not about the money for me.

Right now, my backup plan is to substitute teach my way through my doctoral program since they have a payment plan option instead of taking out student loans.
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