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How to cope with going blind? (self.Blind)
submitted by kbm24
I [24F] was diagnosed with myopic macular degeneration about 5 years ago (presumably because I was born three months premature) and, while my vision is still good, I find myself panicking some days. Some times I can go months and I'm fine, I either ignore my fears or I even feel positive about my future. But then I have an annual eye appointment or my eyes do some new weird thing (like they are right now) and I just lose it!

Like sometimes I just feel so scared/anxious/terrified that I can't stand it. I almost don't even have the words, like I feel like I have more anxiety than my body can contain and I feel like I'm being crushed.

My eyes are very near sighted (maybe -20ish) I have glasses and phakic lens implants. But I can see quite well right now. Sometimes I'm worried they'll have to take my phakic lenses out. And with the macular degeneration I sometimes get eye bleeds (that resolve themselves and I haven't had any in awhile, maybe because I'm on birth control). and just now I have some weird long "floater" that is scaring me and I'm afraid of retinal detachment.

But I'm so, so scared of not being able to get a job (I'm in Applied Social Psychology and just defending my Masters in August) I'm afraid I won't be able to do my job tasks or that no one will hire me.

I'm afraid that no one will want to date me (my boyfriend just broke up with me partly cause of my eyes and I feel like no one will ever want to deal with this). I'm also afraid I won't be able to take care of myself and my family lives 4 hours away and I get lonely and afraid about that too.

And I have a phobia of bugs and spiders so I'm scared if I lose my central vision that they'll "get" me. There's just so many things I'm afraid of I just just don't want to handle it anymore and I'm worried that I'm just not the type of person who is positive enough and brave enough to handle going blind.

Please any advice or reassurance would help so much right now. I'm a bit of a wreak haha
thisperson 10 points 6y ago
First of all, don't panic! Seriously, all the energy going into fear could just as easily go into finding folks with which you can relate.

Secondly, there is something I recommend your never ever forgetting, no matter what. I say this as someone who has had 20/200 vision in my left eye and 20/600 (zillion?) in my right eye for nearly fifty years. Never, ever fporget that you are a person. Yeah, I know, that sounds like a no-brainer, but it's not. It's *very* easy to forget, when getting caught up in worrying about your sight, what others think of you, etc, People who forget they're individual persons often don't truly realize they've forgotten it, because they've internalized so much of society's superficial bullshit. I say again: You are a person. There is more to you than a visual acuity. There is more to you than a "disability." There is an actual, real human being there, with your own preferences, habits, interests, needs, etc.

I'm very sorry that someone dumped you because of your vision, but honestly, anyone who would do that wasn't truly with you from the start. You're better off without someone who would even consider such a rash and uncaring action. You do *not* need to settle or be settled for. You need people who accept you, and this is very important--If it's either because of or in spite of your eyes, it's not real acceptance.

Last but not least, I actually do *not* recommend "coping" with going blind. To merely cope with something is simply to adapt to it and decide nothing is to be done. I would very strongly recommend *thriving* over coping, and yes, there is a freaking *huge* difference.

The simple version is pretty much just this: Live your life and thrive, instead of merely "coping."

edit: rewrote second paragraph for clarity and flow
kbm24 [OP] 3 points 6y ago
Thank you for your kind reply!

I think you are right in maybe I have "forgot" I am a person. I'm constantly thinking, can I do x thing if I go blind, can I still do y? I'm trying to make sure I don't limit myself based on what I only think I'll be able to do. But I'm not really sure what I'll be able to do and for how long.

And yeah my ex turned into a very unkind person so I know it was not a loss on my part there. But I get I'm just worried that if he did maybe the more people will to? And I don't know when to bring it up when dating. With my ex is was about two maybe three months in. But it wasn't until I started getting nervous about my appointments that he bailed. He said if I told him on the first couple dates he wouldn't have stayed with me. So I'm not sure if I should mention it sooner? Or whether I just state the facts and tell them to Google it and ask me if they have any questions or concerns. Or whether I should straight up tell them I might lose my central vision (Dr. said it could be 30 years but he also said it could be tomorrow so that not much help haha)

And I will work on thriving over coping! Have any tips? Haha
thisperson 4 points 6y ago
But see, that's the thing. Even constantly wondering "Can I stil do X?" will limit you. Every time you panic, you're actually *voluntarily* limiting your options. I used to suffer a lot of anxiety, so I know this might sound counterintuitive, but really, worrying is just spinning your wheels.

It's not so much of a matter of "If he did it, others will too." I'm npot sure how to convey this clearly. Others' treatment of you has nothing to do with your ex's treatment of you. If you see others as "potentially like my ex," you'll end up making others guilty until proven innocent, whether or not that's your intent. And honestly, though this is definitely *not* a popular opinion, I'd say the answer to any question of the form "When do I bring up X?" is "Immediately." This seems odd to many, but sometimes our fear of people can actually hurt them. I myself have had experiences where someone waited to bring something up because they were caught up in "when to say, when to say," and I felt hurt, not because of the issue someone was hesitating about, but because they just assumed they knew I'd run off, though I'd made quite an effort to show I wouldn't. Your ex running off is not linked with what others do.

Again, the simple version: The answer to "When to say X?" is now. Otherwise, people wonder what else someone might be hiding.
kbm24 [OP] 3 points 6y ago
Yeah! Good advice! I know worrying is not actually helpful. My dad always says that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra problem by chewing bubble gum haha! And he's totally right! But I haven't mastered the "not worrying" yet. Now don't get me wrong I'm not a ball of stress 24/7. Before appointments and when something happens with me eyes I freak! I try not to. Sometimes if it's something that happened before I take it in stride. But yesterday weird things happened that I haven't seen before and I worry it could be an "emergency" that I need to see my eye doctor right away, but I can't cause he's on vacation and I'm visiting family out of town. So I have my freak out and cry. And now I've called the office and they say it doesn't sound like an emergency and I can see him next week to check it out. I've had a nap and I'm feeling okay. As the days go on I'll probably feel more and more okay. I've gone months with a positive outlook even if something does happen. But I can't seem to stop my knee jerk freak out when something does happen. Hence why I'm here talking to you since it makes me feel better haha
Sommiel 5 points 6y ago
> I'm worried that I'm just not the type of person who is positive enough and brave enough to handle going blind.

The first year that I started dealing with my condition (vitelliform macular dystrophy), I was suicidal. It was very difficult for me. I can still remember the day I picked up a book and could no longer read it and I went to bed and sobbed for hours.

I know exactly how you feel. I am not going to lie to you, it's hella scary. The bigger problem that you have right now, is you are likely dealing with medical staff at your appointments and pardon me but they don't know SHIT about what to tell you.

You need to get into a support system. Most blind centers have group support meetings where others talk about their fears *and* their victories. In larger cities there is likely a Braille Institute, but look in your local area. I found one right on the bus route and I go over there all the time. They have group outings, where you will meet other blind people and it's going to help you!


>But I'm so, so scared of not being able to get a job (I'm in Applied Social Psychology and just defending my Masters in August) I'm afraid I won't be able to do my job tasks or that no one will hire me.

Are you teaching as part of your Master's training? Or working? The Department of Rehab is what you need to slide into. They will help with any extra adaptive training referrals that you need. As well as training you in how to use public transport, orient yourself, get around and do it keeping yourself safe.

I am not insinuating that you need it yet, what I am saying is mastering those skills is going to give you a much better outlook and more confidence.

My Department of Rehab counselor is mostly blind because of a brain tumor. When she went blind, and there was no "time to adjust to it" period, she went to college and started from scratch, got her MA in Rehab Social Work and started counseling others going through the same thing. The state has provided her with an assistant to help her do the things she has trouble doing.

She has been an inspiration to me. She takes the train and the bus to work every day, she is very independent.

It's not a matter or you being positive, or strong, or whatever. It's a matter of slowly acquiring the skills that you might end up needing and that can be a buffer for you.

I was groped by some random asshat on my birthday a few years ago wandering through a parking lot, and it terrified me. I was scared to get the cane, because I thought it would put a target on my back. One of the technology teachers at the center that I go to said, "My cane is not a target, my cane is a weapon."

I started out not going anywhere after dark, or unless someone was taking me, and I go all over the place now. Public transport is not scary anymore. I have apps to assist me. I can walk around downtown completely blindfolded. It took a while to learn, but I kept at it. I travel, there is always someone willing to point you in the right direction.

Being positive about it is not something you can do on your own. It will come when you meet others who are profoundly blind and do just fine. They will motivate and inspire you to keep moving forward.
kbm24 [OP] 2 points 6y ago
Thank you for this comment! Yes I think I will make an appointment with the CNIB, I keep putting it off cause I don't feel like I need it yet. But probably it's better to learn before I need it.

I have checked to see if there's any support groups and it doesn't look like it. They're are some in my province, but they're all in another city about 3 hours away, but I'll see if the CNIB has any suggestions for that too.

I do have a question about braille. You mentioned finding a Braille institute. I love reading and I know there are a ton of audio books, but sometimes I'd rather not listen to someone else's voice or be able to read at my own pace. Are you able to find braille fictions books to read? I Googled it and the websites I found they all cost around a hundred dollars!
Sommiel 2 points 6y ago
Well, The Braille Institute runs a huge library with a lot of selections, I imagine the CNIB does as well. Here they will mail you books or audiobooks if you prefer them or you can travel to the centers.

Since I started so late in life to learn braille, it's still a struggle for me just to read simple things, I can make out signs in buildings. But when it comes to Braille 2, I am kind of lost.

I recommend that you start to learn braille now, *before* you may be dependent on it.

One of my tech teacher uses a refreshable braille display for his computer. I am kind of in awe of him, he has been blind since birth and uses echo location. I call him The Batman.

There are online support group videos through the $1. They have phone support, 1-800-563-2642, manned mostly by blind and partially sighted folks. They have a "vision mate" program with volunteers to help you and counseling services.

You don't *feel* like you need it yet, but learn the kills NOW and you won't be blindsided (pun intended) by them later.

I can't encourage you strongly enough to get out into the community. It's going to give you hope when you see people with less vision than you have being able to live and work independently and actually being cheerful about it. Right now, you are comparing yourself to a fully sighted world (also your own past) and you can't yet imagine what you will be able to accomplish.

I resisted a smart phone for as long as I could, but I find the apps invaluable to help me out with things like orientation and travel. I settled on an iPhone, because I found that there were more apps and they were much more affordable in the iOS format. The phone also has a lot of built in system assists. My friend develops apps for iOS and he told me that Apple gives them phones that don't display to test the apps, so they are sure to be user friendly for the visually impaired.

Get out and meet some people. Go to the Descriptive Movie Night, go on the trips. I have a $5 a month gym membership through my center and we all go together. They are great company.

The best part of it is, you never need to dress up. No one cares!

-shacklebolt- 2 points 6y ago
I learned braille as a teen/young adult, and don't read very much grade 2 at all.

A braille display has seriously completely changed the braille game for me. There is just limitless content I can read in grade 1 (including all sorts of conventional ebooks, articles, etc.) Plus you can get audio or large print feedback for something you're not sure about, and the braille on a braille display is much crisper and easier to read than paper braille. I can use it with my computer and my iphone easily.

If you can get the funding for it (or find an affordable model,) I highly recommend this if you are interested in reading braille.
Sommiel 1 points 6y ago
Braille is a struggle for me, I still have to think about every single letter that I am reading and think what it is. Added to that, my early career as a chef has probably damaged my fingertips and I find them not as sensitive as they could be.

While I was in the middle of hating myself for not being able to pick it up easily (and hey, I read ancient Greek), The Batman told me not to stress over it because braille is no longer a necessity. Given that I still have limited vision, he felt there was better ways I could be spending my time.
kbm24 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
Awesome, well I already have a smart phone so that's one thing! And the gym membership might actually motivate me to go haha

But I'm not sure if my city will have as many groups (like descriptive movies and trips and such) it's a smaller city, only about 255,000 people. And do you think anyone would mind if I came to these groups? Since right now I can see?
KillerLag 2 points 6y ago
CNIB does have support groups, but it depends on the regional offices. Toronto has something called New Beginnigs and Visionaries, but other cities have other resources.
-shacklebolt- 1 points 6y ago
> Are you able to find braille fictions books to read? I Googled it and the websites I found they all cost around a hundred dollars!

You can get braille and audio books for free through a national service (celalibrary.ca) and through a paid service that provides electronic braille and audio, bookshare.org

You can also purchase a refreshable braille display, for example one [like this,]
(http://atmac.org/contents/uploads/braille-display-ipad-featured-672x372.jpg) which uses physical pins to display braille text using a screenreader on your computer or cell phone, connected by usb or bluetooth. Often you can get funding for this expensive purchase, but there is also a more affordable display coming on the market soon hopefully for [$499 through the CNIB.]
(https://shop.cnib.ca/ProductDetail/tec9999999999_deposit-for-orbit-braille-reader-20) This can be used to read books from many different sources (although sadly not all ebook providers are accessible) as well as all sorts of content (such as web pages) on your devices.

Between accessible ebooks on my phone (with text to speech or my braille display) and audio books, I basically never have a reason to go looking for a paper braille book. They're expensive and very bulky, especially compared to being able to carry around thousands of books on your phone.
kbm24 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
Oh that sounds amazing and exactly like what I would want! ebooks through braille or audio! That cheered me up so much!
KillerLag 2 points 6y ago
Have you talked to anyone from CNIB regarding some rehabilitation training? That may help to learn some skills now, so you know you can still do things if you lose a bit more vision. If you have concerns regarding taking care of yourself, definitely talk to them about getting services. If you wish, PM me and I can help you reach your regional office.

For that eye condition, there is a greater likelihood of retinal tears due to the retina being stretched. Try to avoid blows to the head (weird piece of advice, but it comes up. A coworker of mine has a similiar eye condition to yours, and he was a boxer, so he had to give is up). Also watch for floaters, if you notice an unusally large amount of them, see your eye doctor.

If your boyfriend broke up with you just because you can't see well, then he is just being closed-minded. I'm sure you'll eventually find someone who understands you. It can be harder for people with vision loss in regards to dating, but not impossible. If you are lonely, there are lots of social groups as well (more in the larger cities).
kbm24 [OP] 2 points 6y ago
Yeah I know I'm at a higher risk of retinal detachment and I know what to look out for. I'll do my best to avoid blows to the head haha
obex_1_kenobex 2 points 6y ago
Do you have a therapist you can talk to? I think you need to say all this outloud to someone to help you recognize what specifically about reduced vision is scary, then you can come up with a plan for things you can control and learn to let go what you cannot. Like "if this happens then I'll do this". Can you see your ophthalmologist more frequently? It sounds like your vision is good but you may just need the reassurance of a doctor that knows your eyes. It may help to get some disability insurance when you start working to put your mind at ease in case something does happen (also to cover other injuries/illnesses that are unexpected but could prevent you from working). And to meet folks with vision impairment who are in your field of work to see how they do the job.

It may also help to remember that vision impairment is a spectrum. It's not just 20/20 or compete black out, many people who are legally blind have good functional vision and work and do the things they enjoy. Also you have 2 eyes, and while you are very myopic it's unlikely that both will worsen at the same time. And as another poster said you are not your visual acuity, you're a person and sighted or not you're still going to be who you are.
kbm24 [OP] 1 points 6y ago
I did see a counselor at my university for a little bit. I feel like I already know what scares me (this might change if I actually do go blind). And she was very sympathetic and helpful. It felt good to be able to unload all my worries on her (like I'm doing to you guys) cause I don't always feel able to do that with friends and family (I do talk about it a bit, but I don't lose my shit and sob and admit to all the things that scare me, usually I tell them I'm worried but I know I'll be okay). I just don't want them to worry to much, seeing me upset hurts them and they can't really change anything for me. And my panicking comes and goes so quickly. I'll have a few hours or a night where I just can't imagine handling this. And then my panic runs its course and I feel a little over dramatic for my freak out.

Normally I see my doctor at least once a year and whenever something "weird" happens in my eyes. Just this time he's away on holidays until next week and I'm visiting family out of town anyway. I just get kind of scared cause he tells me I'm at a higher risk of retinal detachment and that that would be an emergency and I need to see someone right away. But I don't really know what that would look like (beyond floaters and flashes and I get those all the time anyway and their NOT a detachment) so I'm always worried it'll be something serious and I will brush it off as nothing and it'll be "my fault" if something goes wrong. So then I end up making everything a worst case scenario

obex_1_kenobex 1 points 6y ago
Based on your post I don't think you'd be one to brush a new symptom off. I'm just a random internet ophthalmologist but you might be someone who needs to be seen more frequently for peace of mind. If you have a new concerning symptom that is stressing you out your ophthalmologist has another doc covering for him/her while they are on vacation that can see you I gaurantee.
B-dub31 2 points 6y ago
In the course of a little over a year I have went from 20/20 both eyes to legally blind. It has been a very trying time, to say the least. You will go through the stages of grief as your sight declines. I was really down with my in the dumps about my situation and what I lost (38, married, father of two, have a Master's degree, and had a job I loved.). However, at some point (the acceptance stage I guess) I decided there's nothing I can do about it and feeling bad about it won't help. I've found that adapting to doing the things I always do and accessing resources to be succcessful are much more productive.

Since you are defending your thesis, it sounds like you are at the end of your program. If you have any more classes or decide to pursue a Ph.D., definitely obtain the proper documentation from your opthomologist so you can get accommodations if you are not already. Your opthomologist may offer low vision services, which will introduce you to adaptive technologies and other resources. Your state should have a commission for the blind, and perhaps even regional organizations for the blind. They can provide you resources and offering mentoring or just an understanding ear to hear you out. And to be frank, where you live does make a big difference if you are blind or are low vision, as urban areas offer more public transportation options or services like Uber.

As for the young men (Ok, now I sound old...lol). I don't know why your disability would make a difference to a decent guy. That's not to say that it won't come up at first or even as you get farther into a relationship, but if you feel like he's one foot out the door when the subject of your vision comes up, let him go. There are good guys out there looking for a well educated women, and they (probably) won't even mind squashing bugs for you. Hang in there!

kbm24 [OP] 3 points 6y ago
Haha! Yes thank you, you're reply made me laugh at the squashing bugs part! I'm actually supposed to squash them myself since otherwise I'm avoiding my fear with isn't recommended but it does suck a bit since I live alone right now. And yeah, that guy definitively wasn't the guy for me, but I do hope others will be more accepting.

I'm sorry you had to go through that so quickly it must have been quite an adjustment! For me it's been weird eye things happening over the course of 5 years, but my vision has been slowly declining since I was born. It's like I get to that acceptance stage where you're at and then something else weird happens and I'm like just joking I'm not ready and I go through the stages of grief all over again. It's getting exhausting!

I live in Canada in a small city but my family lives four hours away and there's no buses anymore, right now I can still drive. Anyway there's the CNIB, and two years ago I did actually contact them and they said they needed my medical records from my eye specialist. So at my next eye appointment I asked if they could send them over to CNIB and he said that there was no need. That my eyes are fine right now and they may stay stable for 30 years for all he knows. But every time something weird happens I get so nervous. I just feel like I have no control, and I'd like to maybe learn a bit of braille or practice with a screen reader while I still have some sight. If that's even possible.

Also, I hope those Google self driving cars become an option for the blind/low vision. That would be so cool!
B-dub31 2 points 6y ago
I would love an autonomous car! Before I got sick in March and could still drive, I was considering putting in a reservation on a Teska Model 3. It's not advertised as autonomous, but it has a self-driving assist mode--they advise the driver to keep both hands on the wheel and be ready to assume control at a moments notice. I live in a very rural area with no public transportation options, so owning a self-driving car (or even taking an autonomous Uber) would be a blessing. Luckily, I've got a wife to haul me around...lol.
girlreloaded 1 points 6y ago
25 year old female here. I don't have macular degeneration but I have a very rare condition caused by an anomaly of the optic disc - that is often treated the same as macular degeneration. I have a feeling I will be legally blind by the time I'm 30-35. My right eye is already useless due to blurred central vision. My left eye has been having problems again.

I also feel that my eye condition has strained my relationships. It sucks, I feel you. Thats why I haven't been pursuing men lately. I hate the idea of being a burden, but I hate even more to think I'm unworthy of someone's love because of my disability.

I don't really have much advice other than theres no point in living our lives like we are already blind, right?

Hell. I'm a web design / art major. A lot good that is going to do me once by vision finally goes to shit. But at the end of the day, it feels better working for something and staying optimistic. I've always loved drawing and it's been a real struggle coping with the idea that I may be incapable of creating anything other than shitty abstract art.

If you ever want to talk about it, hmu. I'm sure we share a lot of simialar struggles


StellarVisions 1 points 6y ago
I've never posted here before, nor do I have any experience in this. Yet I feel I should say something... Have hope.. Alright? I know it's hard... But have some hope okay...

This is a really crazy universe we live in, and there's so much of it that is unknown to this day. That includes vision, and consciousness, and thoughts, and dreams...

So what I have to say is, don't forget those things okay? Don't forget that you had vision, don't forget you were lucky enough to experience nature's beauty. Many do not. Whether that be from lack of sight or from living a poor life style.

Consciousness is something that is broadly discussed but never pinpointed. Who are we and why are we here? Well... I believe that nature brought us here, that nature brought us here to live, and breathe, and to enjoy and feel and hurt and struggle, to experience all that it has to offer, through all of its creations. Be that you or me or a tree or a mushroom or a cat or dog. We experience metabolism, as energy moves through our morphogenetic fields that vast our human image.

There is so much to us beyond just what we can see. Maybe you should look into meditation, and try to find peace in the art of nature? This is something that many people fall out of, and is something that I think can really help anyone in a time of distress. Remember, nature created you, and nature created the plants. Plants don't worry, nor do they cower in fear. Animals might worry, but do they let that control them or do they continue through the natural course of life that nature progresses them through?


While I also do not advise you seek out meta-physical experiences through the use of psychedelics to broaden your conscious perception of the insanely beautiful universe we live in, I can honestly tell you that they have changed my life and opened my eyes to not worry about what my future will hold. Because I am nature. I am a part of this organism, here for a reason. And that is to live, and experience.

Terence McKenna is an extremely brilliant philosopher of the 1900's that was way beyond his time. Such an inspirational and intelligent man, I really believe he would be a great introductory philosopher for you to listen to, as well as that of Allan Watts.

Allan Watts is a zen philosopher that was an even earlier of a generation than Terence, yet he too was way beyond his time. These men have really given me the guidance and courage to continue through this universe, and to continue fighting despite my own diminishing health. They have YouTube lectures available and also through many other platforms.

I'm sorry for talking your ear off (figuratively of course, but if you think about it, this itself is a form of synesthesia, or a mingling of the senses. This is another thing that can occur on psychedelics, as to which I also believe might be of your interest considering the position you're in.) Psychedelics can have extraordinary effects on health and have been known to have, at least off the record, healing prep petite beyond our comprehension.

So do not think all hope is lost, as the world still has time, and so do you. There may very well be a cure for your blindness shortly after it occurs, if anything! Think of how fast technology is advancing, there is definitely hope for our human selves yet. We are still young. Or fuck it and the world ends.

Another thing too is, remember dreaming? I do believe that is something that still occurs. So, you do have some splice or escape eventually I think. This is beyond my understanding now, and all speculation. I don't know how dreaming is for the blind. But it may still be profound.
kbm24 [OP] 2 points 6y ago
Thank you for this, it was very interesting

Some of what you said reminds me of a religion course I took and one section covered Buddhism and (I could be butchering this haha) but there was a belief that suffering does not exist. It's just a concept in one's mind. We assign things to be either good or bad, but we get to chose whether we assign things to be good or bad.

Similar to how you can't control what happens but you can control your reaction so you might as well be positive. And I do try to do this. I have every intention of learning and adapting and doing the best I can. I do struggle to control my emotions though. Sometimes I feel positive and sometimes I don't and when I don't it's hard to change it. I just have to wait it out. But yes, thank you, perspective really helps
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