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Blind People of Reddit: In what ways are you "superficial" when it come to attraction? (self.Blind)
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fastfinge 8 points 5y ago
> by compensating in others

I think this is what I do. For example, I couldn't date a smoker. Just the thought of kissing someone who smokes grosses me out. They could be the nicest person in the world, with every other quality I look for in a life partner. But the smell of smoke on there clothes, belongings, breath, etc, would just put me completely off.

I also find myself frequently judging people by what accent they have, how there voice sounds, and how they speak. Based on how you sound, I'll make assumptions about your skin colour, ethnicity, intelligence level, gender, sexual orientation, and more. And these judgements are frequently wrong. When I was younger, I didn't realize just how wrong I could be, and made no effort not to make these judgements. It left me with a set of strange, slightly racist ideas about the world for a while. I still find myself judging people this way, but at least these days I attach a mental "first guess, probably wrong" disclaimer to the labels I assign people. I have no idea how to actually stop judging people this way...it's a matter of reflex at this point.

reseatshisglasses 3 points 5y ago
Judging people on quick observations is a biological tool you can not escape from. It's instinctual and amoral and everyone does it, so don't feel bad that you do it. Just be, as you have learned from experience and intellectual growth, honest with reality, that until more data is collected a shallow observation is ethereal due to how deeply complex people can be. Good for snap decisions if you have no ability to gain more data, or you have not time to gain more data.

But, it's still necessary to have and at a minimum notice your instinctual generalized assumptions. Humans are primates that fall back into tribalism at the drop of a hat, so there are roads you can't walk down and people you shouldn't approach unless you want your shit kicked in because they are enforcing a territory and will target you if you happen to look or sound different and have an air of pacivity.
fastfinge 1 points 5y ago
> it's still necessary to have

I'm not entirely sure about that. Why is it necessary for me to make snap judgements that the person serving me coffee at starbucks is a young white female? That's not information I need during that transaction. Also, it's probably wrong. She could be second generation Chinese, 45, and transexual, for all I know. Making the judgement based on voice alone only really serves to give me a narrow, false view of the world. But never-the-less, that's how my memory labels her, and I have to go out of my way to remind myself that I'm not certain that's correct. It'd be much more useful if I could stop labeling people like that.
reseatshisglasses 2 points 5y ago
The waitress doesn't have a potential impact on your life. But she may if you are attracted to her. The milliseconds you need to build an impression, i think impression is a more fitting word than judgement, will help you run a hundred scenarios to determine how best to communicate with her to get a favorable reaction. What culture might she be from? What area does her accent come from? Is that culture accepting of interracial dating? In that culture, how is dating handled most often? Are the men of that culture much different in attitude towards women than you and will she be expecting you to approach her the way they do? Some of those answers may not matter to you in that moment, but as a biota you may have just gained a major advantage towards the goal of spreading your genes. So I guess the argument is still centered on survivability.

And every time your impressions are wrong, you notice that, and you gain in wisdom to better formulate your impressions in the future to help you more smoothly navigate a world filled with a myriad of cultures.
boatypoops 2 points 5y ago
Thank you for replying! I haven't had time to spend responding properly, but i have read all the replies and am grateful that you took the time to share your experience.
fastfinge 2 points 5y ago
No problem! As with anyone, I'm always glad to talk about myself. :-)
CynicalDropper 3 points 5y ago
My instant turn-offs are smoking, textspeak and lazy spelling. I also find myself judging by how a person writes. Another big one is people who claim to like music, but only know bits fed to them by radio, the top 40 and who the performers are.
boatypoops 1 points 5y ago
Thanks so much for your reply. So i can def. relate to all those factors as a sighted person. How about people's clothing choices and style?
snow671 3 points 5y ago
Vision loss has made me less judgemental about the way a person looks and dresses themselves, but health and hygiene are still important to me.
boatypoops 2 points 5y ago
Absolutely. I totally didn't suspect hygiene would have dropped of anyone's list :)

Thanks for your response!
Zach_of_Spades 3 points 5y ago
We're just as shallow as the rest of the world. Blindness doesn't endow the person with awesomeness and love for humanity, just makes us unable to see.
boatypoops 1 points 5y ago
Yes, for sure. As i expected :)
I guess i just wondered to what extent actual looks (that you can't see, but maybe you can touch/feel), and "style" (i.e. trendy, goth, smart, quirky) factors into your opinions of people...
blindjo 2 points 5y ago
I look for cute voices
boatypoops 1 points 5y ago
I look for non-annoying ones :D
boatypoops 1 points 5y ago
Voices are important for me too. I often hear voices out and about in town and just think "I couldn't ever date someone with that voice"
blindjo 2 points 5y ago
Yes! This
boatypoops 1 points 5y ago
LOL. Sometimes I'm sure I couldn't even be friends with them :(
bradley22 2 points 5y ago
I'd not say i'm superficial but then again perhaps I am. I would not date any woman who says I dunno to nearly everything I say. I don't think the fact I like chubby women helps me answer this question but I do. If the woman has a chubby belly, and nice accent and is "smart"what ever that is, then i'm interested. Having said that, if there's a skinnny woman with a great personality who is "smart" then I'd date her. I think the chubby belly thing is a... Addon isn't the right word but it's the only one I can think of at the moment and the rest comes down to smartness and personality.
boatypoops 1 points 5y ago
Thank you so much for this response! How did you come to love the chubby belly? I love that fact about you :)
bradley22 2 points 5y ago
Well, it's soft. that's really it. Sure, lying my head on a womans belly is amusing to me and sometimes even sexual, although i'm beginning to realise it's less about the sounds and more about the closeness that makes it this way. I enjoy a womans heartbeat too, finding the sound to be relaxing.
boatypoops 1 points 5y ago
Perfect.
modulus 2 points 5y ago
I don't know if this is related to my blindness or not, but attraction for me happens because I like the personality of someone. I don't get interested (in terms of attraction) in strangers or acquaintances. People who are my friends and whom I like are the ones I'm likely to feel attracted to.

That said, even if I do, there can be things about them that put me off, though they're not absolute disqualifications. Smoking is a big one. Having a shrill voice is another.
Epoch6 2 points 5y ago
What about stuttering? Would someone who has difficulty with speaking be less attractive?

Conversely are people who regularly practice speaking (singers, voice actors, etc) in general more attractive?

Also you seemed to be avoiding using gendered terminology, does gender not play much of a roll in attraction for you or am I just making a false connection?
modulus 3 points 5y ago
> What about stuttering? Would someone who has difficulty with speaking be less attractive?

It would be ok within reason. I would say having difficulties articulating, not being able to pronounce certain sounds or speaking in a blurry way that is hard to understand would be more of an obstacle for me than stutter.

> Conversely are people who regularly practice speaking (singers, voice actors, etc) in general more attractive?

No, but it's true some people have very pleasant voices. But the way it works for me it's something I can appreciate about a person but it doesn't condition if I'm attracted to them or not. Anyone I like I will find something to like about them.

> Also you seemed to be avoiding using gendered terminology, does gender not play much of a roll in attraction for you or am I just making a false connection?

Yes, you are correct. My attraction is not strongly gendered. Anyone whom I feel strongly attached to by close friendship is someone I could be drawn into physical intimacy with, though of course this doesn't always materialise due to lack of mutual interest.
Epoch6 2 points 5y ago
Huh, cool.

Thanks for the answer that was interesting.

I'm 89% sure you won't know the answer to this because frankly I don't know the answer to it for myself but do you remember when you first learned that guys and girls had different dangly bits/ what your thought process was?

For some reason I can't get the thought that blind people, for the most part, learn about genitals later in life than people with sight so would have a very different thought process in regards to it.

Sorry if the wording came off as rude, I just can't find better wording at the moment but I really want an answer because this is really interesting to me.
fastfinge 4 points 5y ago
There was a study posted here answering this exact question a couple years ago. However, I can't find it for the life of me. Speaking from vague memories of something I read two years ago, the conclusions were that blind people of both genders become sexually active several years later than sighted peers, largely because sex education for blind students is inaccessible and inadequate. The pictures in the textbook do nothing for us, and in most places in North America, sex education for sighted students is pretty dire as it is. Nobody is bothering to provide us with raised models of the opposite gender, or describe the pictures in detail. That would fit pretty well with my own experiences (though I did attend a Catholic school, so YMMV). I've spent 15 minutes trying to find that darn paper, with no luck! Hopefully someone else can come up with it.
modulus 1 points 5y ago
Learned that they have different bits? Fuck if I know. I must have been really tiny. Actually found out what the other gender's bits were like? That was when I was around 4 or 5. I was curious about the equipment girls had and convinced a (sighted) cousin do exchange information so to speak.
boatypoops 1 points 5y ago
Thanks for your reply! How about clothing choices, and general "style" ?
modulus 2 points 5y ago
No, I can't honestly say I care about those. There are some things that may be bothersome because they're directly annoying to the senses: tons of makeup, too much scent of whatever kind... But in terms of style as such, I don't have a response to that.
boatypoops 1 points 5y ago
Thanks for sharing your experience and giving some feedback! I personally cannot stand most overt chemical odors. So much so that people think I am trying to be "special" by being so sensitive. Very frustrating. I think in general people are very numbed out to their senses, oddly and unfortunately. The strange affects of sensory overload, perhaps.
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