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Rethinking Web Accessibility On Windows (marcozehe.de)
submitted by fastfinge
modulus 3 points 5y ago
I may be getting carried away with conservatism, but I think the message roundtrip times may make this a bad idea. Also, moving this functionality to the browser is very likely to result in weirdness, inconsistent behaviour, and inflexibility. How do we know it will be properly maintained? Whatever else the browser is going to make an accurate DOM, but the functions to move around by key and so on, are used by a tiny part of the browser's audience, and by about 100% of the screen reader's audience, so I tend to think the screen reader coders are more likely to take them seriously, think them through and keep them up to date.
fastfinge [OP] 1 points 5y ago
Yes. Let's make web accessibility the way it is on Linux and mac: slow, broken, and hardly usable. This is a total non-starter.
Zach_of_Spades 3 points 5y ago
Ya know when I read the title I agreed with you. After reading the entire post though, I think the guy may have a point. It's pretty sad that support for edge in jfw is still basically in beta. The virtual buffer paradigm isn't working well anymore and really hasn't been for quite some time. Ya know how you cant use the jaws cursor to review webpages in most browsers? Also how about the fact that many ways of interacting with windows in general are becoming unusable in Jaws?
The entire way accessibility is run on windows is changing drastically. That doesn't mean that mac os or linux are better, quite the opposite in fact, jaws does really need to get with the program though.
Just my prediction, Freedom is gonna be irrelevant in 10 years. Sure the government contracts and state agencies will keep it slogging along for a while, but I think Freedom's on the way out. Also for what its worth, nvda is crushing them progress wise.
The entire way accessibility is run on windows is changing drastically. That doesn't mean that mac os or linux are better, quite the opposite in fact, jaws does really need to get with the program though.
Just my prediction, Freedom is gonna be irrelevant in 10 years. Sure the government contracts and state agencies will keep it slogging along for a while, but I think Freedom's on the way out. Also for what its worth, nvda is crushing them progress wise.
fastfinge [OP] 3 points 5y ago
Right, but NVDA uses virtual buffers, and it works just fine. JAWS issues are due to reasons other than that.
I'm not looking forward to the day where navigation hotkeys are different in each browser, because we no longer have virtual buffers.
I'm not looking forward to the day where navigation hotkeys are different in each browser, because we no longer have virtual buffers.
Zach_of_Spades 2 points 5y ago
I don't think that will be that big of a problem. After all many of the shortcuts for navigation are the same on mac as in windows.
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