What if your hobbies are mostly visual?(self.Blind)
submitted by BeardedJerry
This might sound like something a sighted person or somebody just starting to lose their sight might ask. But I have actually had poor eyesight my entire life. I'm 24 now but due to family circumstances I guess I haven't properly come to terms with things. I'll probably elaborate on that in another post some day.
What I meant in the title question was if you happened to have enough vision to do things like play videogames or draw or watch movies even in other languages with subtitles. What if someday you might not be able to?
I know that these days described video is often available. But I've never tried that and I don't know if I could enjoy that to the same extent. And things with subtitles especially. Either something that has scenes where people speak another language or something like anime for example that is often not dubbed into English at all? And if I can watch with descriptions what does that mean for family and friends who are watching with me? I feel like the descriptions would just ruin the experience for them.
When watching movies that have subtitles I already can't read them well at a normal distance from the TV. So when watching TV with other people am I really just supposed to miss chunks of dialogue?
Bob_01194 points5y ago
I really struggle with subtitles, but so far I have been impressed with the audio descriptions for the most part. It usually comes across like an audio book.
Like you, my eyes have always been poor and as I get older they are getting worse (I’m 42 now).
I love gaming and watch most of my movies on my iPad. I don’t play online games anymore because I can’t. As the graphics get more and more realistic my visual limitations become more of a liability.
I have found that a big TV is a waste. I do better on a smaller screen and just sit much closer. I get a better field of vision and see more of the screen than I do on a larger TV.
I’m not sure if any of this is helpful to you but I would be happy to answer any questions you might have or talk more about my experiences if you like.
BeardedJerry [OP]6 points5y ago
Thanks for your reply. I've had the same issues with newer games. I can't play online games partly because of the graphics and partly because people are too competitive and they get angry at me for not being able to play on the same level. I still try but I have to turn off chat as people online are totally heartless.
Larger TVs don't really help me either. At least not with test. It seems like as resolutions get high and TVs get bigger fonts are getting smaller.
Amonwilde3 points5y ago
Honestly, as one's eyesight changes your worries also change. At one point I was like "as long as I can read print books, I'll be fine." My ability to read print went and it was annoying, but you get over things and adapt. After a while, you find other things you can do or which you can better enjoy. Now if I'm in a room where people are watching TV I'm more likely to be ignoring it and listening to something, and that's too bad. But it's also not the end of the world. There are other things, like mobility and using a computer for work, that tend to matter a lot more. So I guess my main answer is, sometimes you're not able to do things the same way you did them before, but life goes on.
With subtitles, on Netflix now you can have them read aloud to you if you have an Apple device, and I've gotten a program called KMPlayer to read out subtitles that are included with videos as text files, like you get in a torrent. But, yes, I'd imagine it's pretty annoying for sighted people. But at least you can still watch on your own or watch with a very tolerant sighted person.
BeardedJerry [OP]1 points5y ago
Thank you that was helpful. I guess it's just hard to imagine myself a different way. I currently have a lot of problems with mobility now that I'm expected to be more adult like. That will probably be the next thing I write about.
I'll have to look into getting an iPad. I keep seeing Apple devices mentioned in this community so I guess that means they're my best bet for accessible devices.
Amonwilde3 points5y ago
Yep, I feel like an iPhone and sometimes an iPad is a pretty critical piece of equipment whether you're low vision or totally blind. For me the iPad was a game changer at work when I had some more vision. If you're low vision I'd recommend a large iPhone like the 8+ with Zoom enabled and possibly the colors inverted depending on your contrast sensitivity. Android has gotten better but it's just not on the level of an iPhone. You also then have the option of using Voiceover if your vision gets worse or if you are getting eye strain reading long texts.
AlwaysLilly2 points5y ago
I have thought about this a fair amount too. When I first started experiencing strabismus symptoms, it felt like there was so little I could do. I love online gaming, but I had to take a break.
Now, I just play it day by day. Some days I can game or read for an hour or longer, others my eyes can’t deal with it and I’ll do other things.
I’ve found Molly Burke’s YT channel to be really motivational. She lost her sight as a teen from RP but has a great outlook. She also has some videos explaining how she uses her Apple products as a blind person that you may like.
BeardedJerry [OP]1 points5y ago
Thanks for the YT channel. I'll check her out a bit later today.
Ramildo2 points5y ago
I had a similar problem; my hobbies used to be coding and playing video-games. Some people can still code blind but I find that extremely uncomfortable, slow, and unpleasant. After over 3 years mourning my loss of sight (which I'm not completely done with) I found something to spend time on: learning piano. I know it's possible because there are blind pianists out there, and since I have never played music any other way I have nothing to compare the experience of playing blind. Even though it's a challenge both for me and for the teacher, I'm learning very fast. I was afraid that I would have trouble moving my hands on the keyboard with precision without sight, but then I had to play songs that required me to do exactly that and managed to do it, and finally I realized that the sighted do that too when they are paying attention to the music score.
BeardedJerry [OP]1 points5y ago
I've been considering my options for instruments and piano is high on the list. I wanted/want to learn to code but my sight already makes it exausted. So much reading. I tried using that NVDA program the other day and found that I could barely even make out what the voices were saying. And as I move the mouse it's like they're reading off this scrolling codes from mthe MATRIX.
Ramildo2 points5y ago
You can change the voice that NVDA uses by pressing Insert+N or Caps Lock+N and going to Preferences followed by Synthesizer and then selecting the Microsoft Speech API synthesizer which has a more human voice.
Regarding piano, my teacher had to make some adjustments. Since I can't read sheet music and he can't write Braille, he transcribes the music score to MIDI so that I can play by ear and read the notes right off the MIDI files when I can't tell which dissonance or chord is playing.
BeardedJerry [OP]1 points5y ago
Sounds like you've got a great teacher. I think there might be some software that can convert stuff to braille but I'm not sure. And you'd be a special printer for that.
luftkommandant2 points5y ago
i've been losing my vision gradually over the past few years (strabismus from a tbi when i was one, so blurry vision too), and i'm 14 now, my biggest hobbies were things like tv, art, crochet, video games, writing, reading, playing instruments, etc. lots of very visual things. what i did was learn to do it all by touch, really. some are easy, like if i hold the paper close enough and use things that don't smear, i can draw, and crochet is easy enough, and i can hold the sheet music close enough or zoom in on it and memorize it.
tv was one of the hard ones. i can't watch things in languages i don't know because i cant see subtitles well enough. but if it's in a language i do know, i just turn it up and i can see sort of vague shapes so i get what's going on. video games are the same.
reading is harder, because audiobooks don't work for me (audio processing problems) and largeprint is very hard to find. i have to read on my computer, i just zoom in and i have a colored overlay i use to make it easier.
i have mostly dropped art, but i'm trying to get back into it, mostly the tactile things like sculpting, carving, etc because i can run my hands over them and that makes it easier.
6THE6SUPER6DEVIL2 points5y ago
Have you tried reading Braille? It’s easy and fast to learn. The Hadley Institude has courses you can take..I am taking them right now.I lost most of my sight when I was 14 .
BeardedJerry [OP]1 points5y ago
Hey I appreciate your reply. It was somehow very refreshing. If you can try to keep practicing arts. I love to draw but I fear that I'm not going to be able to forever. I can see enough to do it now but it's hard to do smaller details without magnifiers. Computers help there since you can zoom in as far as you want and none of the tools smudge or smear unless you want them to.
When I was in middle school, my school had people come around for work groups with other students who had visual impairments. They taught us to use things like zoomtext and sometimes just fun creativity oriented things. And there was one TA who was teaching me to read braille and use braille machines, CCTVs, etc. But I was rebellious. I didn't want to feel like I needed these things. Technology is a lot better now so I wish I'd paid attention and cooperated. Do you have stuff like that going on at school?
luftkommandant2 points5y ago
i just finished the first thing i've drawn in over a year, i'm slowly getting back into art which is really great!
as far as i know, i'm the only low vision/blind kid at my school and my school doesn't acknowledge it because it's kind of the least of my problems (i have a lot of other disabilities). i would *love* to have that though. i'm trying to get into o&m and hooked up with my local blind organization, i've heard they might have stuff like that though and i'm really hoping i'll get in soon. i'm maybe going to teach myself to read braille just for things like signs and my medication organizers.
BeardedJerry [OP]1 points5y ago
I actually need to get hooked. up with O&M too. Braille is easy enough to learn. I don't remember all of it but I remember that I was faster reading braille than print. But since then I haven't even used it. That's just because I never took advantage of it. Its a great skill to have. It would also be really great to meet some other low vision/blind people you could be friends with if you haven't already. I never made friends with anybody like that and as a result I've been very lonely. That's probably the biggest reason I joined this sub.
cupcake67402 points5y ago
I hate subtitles. Usually I have someone read them to me if it’s simple or I just sit really close to the TV. At my boyfriend’s house I have a bean bag where I sit 2 feet away from the large TV. As a teenager it’s really difficult to go do teenage things like the movies and not be annoying having someone read all the subtitles and stuff so it helps having a really close friend or boyfriend who you don’t might sharing personal space with. Also, I play music which is almost impossible without sight since Braille music is really time extensive. I have low vision from oculocuantaneous albinism so my range is 4 feet before sight is gone and 2-8 inches of reading space. Usually I just bring everything to me and don’t tend to share a stand with people. For marching band I have the people around me help and dut so I don’t have to rely on the conductor. Long story short, it really helps having friends who care and are willing to give up some of their time to help you out and give you a “normal” life.
BeardedJerry [OP]2 points5y ago
Its nice that you have people like that. And I hope I can someday too. I remember the brief time I spend in band during middleschool. I was learning the clarinet but struggling to read the music. I had to have it all enlarged. Sadly my instructor and I didn't get along at all so I had to quit.
I'm surprised there isn't some solution to make it easier for us to read music yet.
cupcake67402 points5y ago
A lot of people have it digital so they can expand and stuff but I don’t like it too much
BeardedJerry [OP]1 points5y ago
I guess you mean on a tablet? I haven't tried that so I cantain how well that would work for me but I could see how it would help. I think it would be annoying if I had to keep taking my hands off the instrument to scroll or something
cupcake67401 points5y ago
More like a PDF. It’s generally the same concert as turning pages but with it on a screen
Terry_Pie2 points5y ago
I've a number of hobbies, and most are very dependent on sight.
* Reading (also a big part of my job)
* Tabletop wargaming (including painting miniatures and making terrain)
* Tabletop RPGs (reading is a big part when you're running a game)
* PC gaming
You change with the deteroration of your sight. I really only read as required now, but when I do I have a magnifying glass and desk light. I paint with my glasses off and hold things close (I'm short sighted). I've taken to typing up notes for D&D etc, then PDFing them. I use larger font sizes (no smaller than 16pt), set text to white and background to black, and use a tablet at the game table and zoom in too. As for video games, there games I used to play that I don't any more simply because it's too tough for me and I don't enjoy them because of my vision loss.
You'll learn to make adaptions so you can still do what you used to, but you may have to move on from some things and find others. Or you might choose to do certain hobbies with others so they can assist you.
BeardedJerry [OP]2 points5y ago
Thanks I was pretty interested to read how the war games and painting works for you.
My sister's boyfriend invited me to play Warhammer with him at a game hall/store here where a lot of people gather. But I was too shy to try because i've experienced a lot of impatience thanks to my eyes. People get frustrated when it takes me too long. But maybe I'll give it a go some time.
Terry_Pie3 points5y ago
I know exactly what you mean by feeling nervous about going to groups like that. I was, still am really, the same. I have a lot of different games, but the one I get to play most often is X-Wing (the minis all come pre-painted, so that's a plus. There is pretty big power creep in the game though).
My mate and I have been playing weekly for over two years now. He went to a regionals event and after that encouraged that we should head along to the various events (fortnightly and monthly tournaments etc). I've been to quite a few now and I've found people are pretty good with it, some more so than others. You just need to make it clear to them. I get my opponent to help me find dice, read the results, move ships etc. We actually just had a team epic tournament on the weekend. My mate did the moving and most of the rolling (to be fair, we were both rolling dreadfully) and conferred on moves (I claim the title of better pilot. Case in point: he ran over one of our Lambdas). We came third (out of eight), so that was pretty cool.
I also went along to a gaming club to play Guild Ball weekly for about three months this year. The guys were also really helpful and helped with moves and counting results etc. I've not been in ages though because I've been lazy.
Personally Bolt Action is my favourite wargame. For someone who is vision impaired, WWII games are really good because real world uniforms and paint schemes are much simpler than things like Warhammer or Infinity (unless you're doing German splinter camo or something). Basically I use flat colour and inks, I almost never highlight or shadow (I can't tell the different well enough between the shades). One day I'll have to stop of course, but you can keep playing until you're unable to distinguish units and terrain. I've only got a couple of opponents, but again, both are really helpful (one of them is my brother after all).
BeardedJerry [OP]2 points5y ago
That was some nice insight into the minis scene. I really want to paint them honestly. I don't know how good at the games I could be but painting looks like so much fun. I'd be willing to use magnifiers and such to do details I probably can't see without them. I'll look into bolt-action. I've never heard of that one but it sounds like it could be a good starting point. Thank you.
Terry_Pie2 points5y ago
No problem. If painting miniatures is the thing you're most interested in, there are always larger scales. I remember one of the guys on the Bolt Action Facebook group posted up an article on a guy who was vision impaired who painted large stuff (I forget the scale). Largest scale I know of that is used in wargaming is 54mm, but if that doesn't bother you, bigger stuff is always an option.
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