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What do you think of obstacle detection and image recognition on a walking stick? (self.Blind)
submitted by KRU301
While doing recent research, my group and I came across so many smart canes and wanted to know what you guys generally think of them? From everything we saw, obstacle detection and image recognition are two features that stood out to us and we wanted to know what you guys think of them as features, in terms of practicality and usefulness, on a smart cane? We are EE majors currently working on this project for our senior design.
If you have some time, could you please fill out the below survey. We would love to hear back.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/3NDF5JF
mikeanderson63 3 points 5y ago
Technology is evolving and smart devices are popping out more and more every day. Although I am not a big fan of the idea, this might be useful for $1. These $1 people use advanced artificial vision in order to help them achieve increased independence. You can consider this sample as inspiration for your end product.
KillerLag 3 points 5y ago
The second proposed feature you mentioned (intensity of vibration to denote distance) is a common method to indicate distance. The Mowat Sensor was a good example of this (it was made back in 1978 http://www.aph.org/museum-virtual-exhibit/vex9/23A18E0F-4178-4D07-AC4D-461550580040.htm ). A more recent version is called the Miniguide ( http://www.gdp-research.com.au/minig_1.htm ). The Ultra Cane does the same thing, although I don't believe the vibrations are quite as sensitive (https://www.ultracane.com/ ).

For your first proposed feature, you mentioned vibrating on the left or right to indicate if something is to the left or right. But by itself, that doesn't provide enough information to be useful. If it vibrates to the right, how far to the right? Using a clock face method of orientation, is it at 1 o'clock, or 2 o'clock, or directly ahead but just slightly to the right? That would be the difference walking past something and walking into something.

For those two concepts, they have been tried a number of times, to varying degrees of success. The UltraCane and the BAT 'K' Sonar Cane being the two most recent examples.

Your third proposed idea has some merit (self-driving cars use similar technology), although implementation would be tricky. I've heard of some people attempting something similar, but nothing useful to date.

If you have a chance, you should talk to someone from the local vision loss rehabilitation agency (such as an Orientation and Mobility Specialist) to show you hope the cane is used and what things may already have been tried.

Two resources that may be useful for you.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK218025/

This is a chapter from a book from 1986, but it is still useful in discussing what the needs of a device would have to be.

http://www.tsbvi.edu/orientation-and-mobility-items/1974-electronic-travel-aids-for-the-blind

A post from 1996 from someone who was also trying to build something similar to what you proposed.
KRU301 [OP] 2 points 5y ago
Thanks for your thorough response. Do you see Smart Canes ever being so developed that they would be significantly successful?
KillerLag 2 points 5y ago
Hard to say.... there are a few issues, primarily the cost. If the cost can be reduced, that would significantly increase the chances of it becoming more common.

fastfinge 3 points 5y ago
I'm not convinced that smart canes will ever be a useful thing. Stuff like the buzzclip, maybe. But building it into the cane? I need to replace my cane every two years as it is just because of wear and tear, so I can't imagine ever wanting to do the same thing with a smart cane costing hundreds of dollars.
8solutions 3 points 5y ago
Hi, I'm a researcher too, and have spent a fair amount of time working with object and text recognition in a camera. My applications are for sighted-people, but I have been curious about whether blind or partially-sighted people could benefit, too.

Would a tool be useful that would let you point a camera (eg. your phone or a small camera attached to your glasses) at a book or magazine or menu, and it would read all the text on the web page back to you?
fastfinge 3 points 5y ago
Have you heard of Microsoft's Seeing AI app for iPhone? It pretty much does exactly this.
8solutions 3 points 5y ago
Ah, okay, thanks for that info. I assumed that there would be an app out there but just wanted to double check! Thanks!
KillerLag 3 points 5y ago
Not to mention, obstacle detection canes have been made for almost three decades and nothing has been permanent. I find that the issue isn't so much the detection method, but how to convert that information into something usable.
-shacklebolt- 3 points 5y ago
This, plus weight is a huge factor for me personally.
KRU301 [OP] 2 points 5y ago
Thanks for your feedback! You're right, we did notice that the cost is relatively high for the smart canes on the market. But do you think if weight and cost weren't an issue, that you would consider going for a smart cane?
Zach_of_Spades 2 points 5y ago
I'd be open to trying something like this but Ive not been impressed with the smart glasses I've tried.
fastfinge 2 points 5y ago
> if weight and cost weren't an issue,

Sure. If horses had wings, they could fly. And if I wasn't blind, I'd be sighted. OK, that's a little bit sarcastic; sorry! But unless you have invented some kind of battery breakthrough to reduce weight (because that would be the largest weight contributor) or invented some way to reduce technology prices hugely, you probably wouldn't be working on a smart cane. You'd be a millionaire for other reasons. :-)
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6THE6SUPER6DEVIL 0 points 5y ago
don't work on this it's just a waste of your time we don't need this
KillerLag 2 points 5y ago
We have to be careful about making statements like that, because there have been cases where a technology that doesn't seem accessible/useful can become quite useful.

Look at the example of the iPhones with the touch screens. When they first came out, they were completely impractical for blind people to use, because there were no buttons for inputting information. But they eventually did implement accessibility features, and is now one of the most popular accessible devices.
6THE6SUPER6DEVIL 2 points 5y ago
Yes your right I am sorry.. I wish them good luck thanks for trying to help us.
KillerLag 3 points 5y ago
Heh, don't worry about it. We never know what crazy new technology may suddenly pop up that can be helpful.
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