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Blind conservative? (self.Blind)
submitted by estj136
Is there anyone who’s a blind conservative besides me here? It can be from any country.
I am one myself.
I am one myself.
fastfinge 23 points 5y ago
Hopefully not. The only things conservative governments mean for the blind are unemployment, homelessness, poverty, and eventually death. There has never been any positive outcome for the blind from any conservative government in history.
GoneVision 5 points 5y ago
This is happening right now, before our eyes, in the UK and the US. For example,HR 620, wasn’t championed by any liberals. The Obama department of justice, wasn’t leading the call to delete guidance on how The ADA should apply to public accommodation. I could go on anon. I wish I could be more objective, but I can’t. This is a generalization, I will admit before I say it, but most conservatives aren’t comfortable with difference. We happen to be different. Being a blind conservative, is a fools gambit.
quanin 4 points 5y ago
It was a conservative government that created the Ontario Disability Support Program (ODSP) legislation in 1997. It's far from perfect, even after 15 years of the current Liberal government's not really improvements, but it's more than we had before that. My vote's up for grabs this year to the first party to offer to do better with it. Unfortunately no one's talking.
fastfinge 8 points 5y ago
I was gonna say. You're using the ODSP as your best example of positive outcome? That's a pretty far stretch. Especially because shortly before that, most of the vocational training and rehab options we blind folks once had were scrapped. So now Ontario is stuck with a huge portion of blind people unemployed and on ODSP. Because I guess just giving us handouts was cheaper and easier than coming up with job training options, passing strong and enforced disability laws so we would all have the chance to work, etc. I mean, I'm only 30; I wasn't aware of what things were like for blind folks in the 80's. But I do know that all of the blind people from Ontario I know in there 40's, 50's, and 60's had good, life-long jobs. The vast majority of us in our 20's and 30's are unemployed and likely to stay that way.
edit to add: I lived in Toronto under Rob Ford. I wouldn't vote for his brother if he promised me a million dollars a year.
edit to add: I lived in Toronto under Rob Ford. I wouldn't vote for his brother if he promised me a million dollars a year.
quanin 0 points 5y ago
Eh. I don't know your situation so can't comment. Me, I'm working my second job now--my first is somewhere over in India. I'm only 34 myself, and a significant chunk of the blind people I know who are older than me are as unemployed as you are. As to the scrapping of rehab services for the blind previously, let's be real here for a second. There's been funding cuts to services for the blind before, during and after Mike Harris's reign. Hell, the Trudeau Liberals just got their asses handed to them for trying to cut funding to the CNIB library without any clue as to what the hell if anything would replace it. Just in the last 5 years the CNIB in Ontario has had to scale operations back to the point where there's perhaps two mobility instructors to cover Ottawa and the valley, and one of them you could not pay me to sign on with. ODSP has also outsourced a lot of its employment support services to third parties, which may or may not suck depending on where you live--I wouldn't want to be Blindy McBlinderson in small town Ontario, for instance.
> edit to add: I lived in Toronto under Rob Ford. I wouldn't vote for his brother if he promised me a million dollars a year.
Unfortunately it's either Ford or Wynne, and Wynne's in the process of burying people on ODSP under a $15 minimum wage. Don't even start about the NDP--they want it higher than that, and haven't said word one about the disabled in as long as I've been paying attention. They also still have Andrea Horwath, who should have probably stepped aside two elections ago.
> edit to add: I lived in Toronto under Rob Ford. I wouldn't vote for his brother if he promised me a million dollars a year.
Unfortunately it's either Ford or Wynne, and Wynne's in the process of burying people on ODSP under a $15 minimum wage. Don't even start about the NDP--they want it higher than that, and haven't said word one about the disabled in as long as I've been paying attention. They also still have Andrea Horwath, who should have probably stepped aside two elections ago.
Amonwilde 19 points 5y ago
Not sure if you're from the US, but do you support recent attempts to roll back the ADA? Seems kind of like a vote against yourself.
derrekjthompson 3 points 5y ago
I'm not a Conservative myself, but playing devil's advocate here, the ADA was also signed in to law by a conservative. I agree with you though, I just thought somebody should point that out.
Amonwilde 3 points 5y ago
That's fair. It's not really about conservatism as aphilosphy, just the current crowd.
OutWestTexas 1 points 5y ago
A lot of us were successful VIPs before the ADA came along. The ADA hasn’t changed my life.
Amonwilde 6 points 5y ago
I don't see the need for OSHA and factory safety! I worked in a 19th-century factory for 20 years and never once had my hand ripped off. Also, seat belts seem like a waste of time. I drove for 15 years and never once died in a bloody accident by being thrown clear of my vehicle.
That's your argument.
That's your argument.
-shacklebolt- 4 points 5y ago
Also, "I'm able to succeed with my specific life circumstances and my disability. What do I care what happens to other disabled people?"
derrekjthompson 9 points 5y ago
There are quite a few blind conservatives out there, although I can't fathom the amount of cognitive dissonance it must take to be one. If your blind conservative political ideas, at least the mainstream American variety, are probably not in your best interest and certainly are not in the best interest of blind people as a whole.
KrolPolski 1 points 5y ago
That depends on what you consider a conservative. In my mind the idea of funding extensive rehabilitation / job training for the blind to make blind people able to provide for themselves and not be dependent on government handouts ought to be very appealing to conservative voters.
derrekjthompson 6 points 5y ago
But it’s not.
dmazzoni 6 points 5y ago
How do you define conservative?
Are you fiscally conservative?
A social / religious conservative?
A Republican?
A Trump supporter?
Are you fiscally conservative?
A social / religious conservative?
A Republican?
A Trump supporter?
OutWestTexas 5 points 5y ago
I am low vision and a Conservative. There are probably more out there but they are afraid of the bullying and downvotes
Amonwilde 3 points 5y ago
Looks like you haven't been downvoted. I don't think anyone is going to downvote you for just being a conservative, look at the thread which has a few upvotes. It's saying some specific dumb thing that will get downvotes.
estj136 [OP] 2 points 5y ago
Yeah, that is truly sad. I don’t know if it’s just in the blind community or if it’s a generally disability based hostilities type of deal.
SnoobertDoobertDoo 1 points 5y ago
A friend of mine with Liebers is running for office as a conservative.
[deleted] 1 points 5y ago
I'm a conservative my self. I do believe that the ADA didn't really do much. Wile it did give access to buildings it didn't do anything for blind people in a cultural sense. And those of you who are conservative know who controls the culture. I'm also against protected classes. I don't want to go to college I want to get my own place and work at a job.
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