What are the biggest challenges around study, notetaking, study organization, audio archiving?(self.Blind)
submitted by PopeBenedictThe16th
Hi everyone, I've made an effort to quickly search this sub to make sure I'm not reiterating a common question, but apologies if I am.
I'm an Electrical/Software Engineering student and an organisational nut, in my own Digital Study Approach, and as someone with ADHD, technology is a huge crutch for staying on top of note taking, course content, and knowing I can find what I need when I need it.
OneNote is my favourite tool to this end, and in my (limited) interaction with people with vision impairments in the academic context, I haven't encountered any analogous tools to achieve consistent and organized audio based notes.
When I studied my Massage Cert, I met a vision impaired woman who owned an expensive digital recorder, and from what I saw of it, she still found herself tracking back and forth and fast forwarding/rewinding to find the content she was interested in from recorded notes.
What are your experiences in this area, and where do you identify need, or think software could have an impact that'd make organizing notes/study more accessible?
The purpose is for a proposal for a uni project, but if there's a genuine need for a product or if I could complement an existing product for accessibility, I'd genuinely want to develop it.
Thanks in advance!
Unitaur2 points5y ago
I feel your pain. I also record every class with the intention of listening back to them to take notes on what's relevant. And I will also take notes during class, but this gets messy because I don't listen as I am typing because it is distracting. Ultimately, I would love to be able to record and type in keywords that are time stamped to the recording. The way I imagined this working is to develop an extension to an existing word processor such as Microsoft word or Google docs. When the extension would be turned on and recording, the return key can have dual functions, One will be The normal function of a new line, and the other function will be to make a timestamp to the recording. And to the left of each line there can be a play button to start the play back from that position in your notes.. this way all you need to do is type in a keyword and hit enter. Later you can search for those keywords to listen back from there obviously, this is easier said than done and I have zero programming experience, so it would be up to someone else or up to me learning how to program.. and if anyone out there would be into a project like this, I would love to collaborate and contribute what I can. This kind of a solution would be my idealistic approach. " "
PopeBenedictThe16th [OP]1 points5y ago
I really appreciate these responses - My initial aim for this question was just to get maybe some interesting feedback to help me approach my assignment, and understand the current market of study/notation tools available to blind students.
Hearing from you, I genuinely would love to develop a product that helps address these needs.
The needs that you're describing sound very similar to needs that I use software to meet in terms of note taking Typical lectures will be conveyed in series of slides, which I print out to my OneNote, and label, organize, and hierachize the slides so that I can find what I need more easily.
In my degree, a lecture might have 70 slides, and a slide might have a plethora of equations, points of information and diagrams- Retyping slide contents would be hell, so I tend to add brief annotations, and meaningful titles to the slides.
Am I right in thinking that your needs are analogous in the sense that you'd like to be able to link audio recordings, to section titles, and maybe just briefly take down some key-points within sections?
I have a few more questions, because at the moment, if you're interested in contributing, I'd love to start by understanding your needs.
What do you typically use to make your recordings? Is it your smart-phone, or does that not cut the mustard and do you prefer speciality gear?
Wherabouts do you study? (Just out of curiousity)
The concept you're proposing is really great, by the way. I would love to actually make it happen.
fastfinge2 points5y ago
Well, I'm not in university anymore. So it's a bit late for me. :-) But when I was, I recorded on a smartphone, that I would leave at the front of the class, so it would pick up the lecture clearly. So the challenge with this approach is going to be: I could be ten rows back. Yes, I do have a laptop. But how can it trigger/sync up with my smartphone, recording at the front of the class, whenever I note down an important keyword? There might be clever...bluetooth? tricks to make this happen. Or maybe just relying on the clocks on my laptop and phone being exactly in sync? This requires some thought. I didn't record on my laptop, because the sound of typing, the sounds of other students, etc, would sometimes make the recording hard to listen to. Most profs I had would let me put my recorder on a desk or table at the front near them.
fastfinge2 points5y ago
I recorded all my lectures in university, with the best of intentions. Later in the week, I'd listen to them a second time, while transcribing them! It would be a good way to study, and to organize my recordings! How many times do you think that ever happened? Hint: if your guess is larger than "zero", you're wrong.
The problem with taking notes during the class itself is that keyboards are loud, and if you use speech, you need to have headphones on one ear, and that distracts you from actively listening to the lecture, or participating in the class. Some universities offer paid note takers to help with this, but mine only offered them to students with physical challenges, not blind students.
Transcription services are available today, but though I haven't used them much, I don't think they cut it. What we need is something where we can search the auto generated text transcript, and then play the lecture audio starting from the word or phrase we found. That way, a blind student while in the class, would only need to note down a list of unique sounding keywords. After class, the student could search for those keywords that seemed important, and make more complete notes from the recording. That would be much less work than having to listen to the entire lecture a second time, so it would be more reasonable to expect that students would actually do it. Also, if portions of the transcript were accurate enough, we could just copy those directly into our class notes.
PopeBenedictThe16th [OP]1 points5y ago
Thank you for getting back to me! This was a great response, and something I'd love to implement. I completely relate to the struggle of "intending to rewatch a recorded lecture slowly to understand the content fully later" and NEVER doing that, that's something sighted students do all the time as well with lecture captures.
I'd love to know how you think this idea you've pitched to me relates to Unitaur's reply to this thread, and to my response to that?
I think both ideas could have a lot of value, and I think the intersection of the value they add could be exponential.
What are your thoughts, however?
estj1362 points5y ago
I can speak a bit to this. I worked in student news for a bit. Was a student journalist. The best way I found to keep track of interviews was to record. This works and doesn’t for a bit. Some people can write/type fast. I would listen to six words, get obsessive on it’s contents, write them down, then by the time I hit stop 10 more words had come out of the mouth of the speaker on the recorder. What if you type fast you can type 90 words a minute or something like that, right? Speaking is like 240 or something like that. I just couldn’t keep up. I would go back and would listen a bit, then find where I left off maybe check and then when I lift my fingers to hit stop 10 or 20 words would have gone by since I stopped checking and then repeat the rewinding processing. Finally I get a few more words written. Repeat, Repeat, and repeat. Until you get three maybe four good quotes from the file. Time elapses. Maybe 30 minutes. Maybe 30 minutes maybe 45. Now think about three sources.
If there was a way to work this more efficiently, slow down the speech more accurate rewinding, based on time, short lengths of time or something. A few words at a time.
PopeBenedictThe16th [OP]1 points5y ago
Hi estj136, I really appreciate this feedback. May I ask you what your thoughts are re. my reply to Unitaur's response? (Also re. Unitaur's response, and how that idea relates to the need you conveyed)
estj1361 points5y ago
I don’t get your question. Are you trying to challenge my validity?
PopeBenedictThe16th [OP]1 points5y ago
I'm trying to understand a need, and develop a product concept that meets that need.
I'm looking for input from people with vision impairments to make sure that whatever product concept I develop is actually suitable to their needs.
estj1361 points5y ago
why did you ask me about someone’s post? instead of understanding my individual concern? It’s a bit disrespectful isn’t it? my post is quite different? no? while everyone is doing notetaking stuff on here, I am more concerned about interviewing process and recording and audio transcribing it.
Warthil1 points5y ago
In my case no one technique has ever worked well. Like another poster I have up and down experience with recording lectures. It's all about whether you get back and listen to them. again. I am starting a new degree in the fall and I have been playing with a PlexTalk pocket to do the recording. So far I am seeing a few advantages over my iPhone. First, the battery life of the PlexTalk is better. I can record in Daisy format and add in headings while recording. I can speed up or slow down speech. I can also put PDF or Word docs on the device to read. I think this will be one device I will use in the fall. Organizing notes has been something I have been thinking about. In the case of the PlexTalk everything can be saved to an SD Card. In theory I could have multiple SD cards and separate them by lectures, courses, etc. However, in reality I think I would lose the various cards.
If I had my ideal recorder it would be something like the PlexTalk with a few additional features. It would sync with a cloud service when possible. It would have a web interface with the cloud storage that would allow me to play the uploaded files from any device. Perhaps even allow me to do some editing from the cloud service. rather than another piece of software I would love something cloud based that I could use from any accessible computer.
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