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To all the developers trying to make the next cool app for blind people... (self.Blind)
submitted 5.311442483281893y ago by Prefect316
I see your posts almost every day trying to get opinions and feedback for your apps, and believe me, I value you and your hustle. I wanted to suggest something at as a totally blind person I would love to use.

Please note that I have 0 understanding of how programming works or what would be necessary to accomplish this idea. It's simply something I think would be super useful as a blind person in the 21st century.

I want a way to recognize memes.

Everyone communicates with memes these days. I would love a way to know what memes are being used. It would be awesome if there were a meme repository of some kind and perhaps an app could recognize the meme and tell you what it is.

On typing it out, this seems like a really silly idea, but it would be worth a try, considering so many people use memes to communicate these days.

For example, if you're texting someone and you feel a little villainous, I could use en emoji with horns, or I could use a meme of Kevin Spacey laughing. Which one would scare you more?

If any of you wonderful developers see this and have an idea or even questions, feel free to PM me and I'd love to do anything to try and get a project like this in motion.

But if not, it's all good! I love the work you all do, and thanks for trying to Mae the blind community a better place.

xoxo
mahakart 6 points 5y ago
Hi, I am the developer of the app Envision AI which does process images to extract information like text, faces, scenes, etc. I just tried to process a Kevin Spacey meme through it and it provided me with a description saying "Looks like Kevin Spacey in a suit and a tie" and the provided me with the text that was on the image.

Using the same algorithms I used to build that, it is totally possible for me to build an extension that can be taught to recognise memes from a library of memes. I would, in fact, love to build that. Could you guys tell me more about how would you want the output to be? Should it describe the image or just state what the meme is. How would you like the text that is usually on the meme to be provided so that it makes most sense.
Prefect316 [OP] 3 points 5y ago
I replied to your PM, but I wanted to leave a public reply in case anyone had something to add that could help.

In terms of the Windows application idea, this is a good idea, though I'm not sure how doable it is. For me, an iPhone app would be great. Usually I will just long press on a photo on Twitter or FB and choose "Recognize with Seeing AI," my app of choice. I'm sure these settings could be changed to use the meme recognition app too. Hope this makes sense. Haven't had my coffee yet :)

Something like Know Your Meme can probably help with the initial creation of a meme library.

Oh, and I like stupid puns so I thought of a name for this project *clears throat*

I Know What You Meme
EndlessReverberation 6 points 5y ago
This is the kind of idea I myself find much more interesting then the endless vibrating cains we get on here. So many people ask questions about vibrating things you would think we were talking about sex toys. As far as a data base for meems, I wonder if this could be useful. http://knowyourmeme.com/
I don't know a lot about meem culture, although I would like to know more; one issue I see for the kind of project your talking about is that I believe one of the key things about meems is that people create and use thousands of altered versions of meems. For example, if a cartoon cat becomes a meem, people who use that meem might remix it and use the cartoon in a new way. From what I understand, this remix aspect is key to meems, and it might make any auto detection project very difficult. Just my two bits, cool idea.
AllHarlowsEve 2 points 5y ago
As a former sightling with limitted understanding of programming, this shouldn't be incredibly hard. If the programmer just fed in images pre-text, like pepe the frog,it could definitely recognize the base meme at least.

The issue would be with contexualizing text and understanding it.

To simplify, there's two real kinds of memes, and then reaction images are a separate category.

- Images with text. They're simple, usually images from a popular show, or some comic/fan art. Pepe the frog is from a comic showing a frog peeing with his pants around his ankles, if I remember right, and the original frame said "Feels good, man." but now his weird facial expression is used for... everything.

- Images that have significant changes. These are harder to explain. There's one going around that's a picture of the Chum Bucket and Krusty Krab from spongebob, with gross/bad things on the chum bucket, and good things on the Krusty Krab. There's also a lot with no text, like stock images with the faces changed. I know there's one that was a guy and his girlfriend, with the girlfriend looking unhappy because he was looking back at another girl.

That one was used for things like gamers, over the guy's face, Destiny, a video game, over the girlfriend's face, and Warframe, a similar game viewed as better, over the other girl's face.

With things like that, it'd be hard to contextualize them. Maybe if there was a bespecular type of app that could recognize what memes are which kind, then send the memes off to people to confirm or edit the description, to make them make more sense.

Possibly with some sort of watch ads to get a single meme described per ad, and just buy a ton of meme tokens to be able to get multiple memes described and all that kind of stuff.
Prefect316 [OP] 2 points 5y ago
I'm stoked to hear it's a doable project, but you definitely can't teach pop culture to an AI. Or can you? I'm excited to see if this becomes even more fully executable in the next decade. But who knows. Memes might fall out of vogue long before then, replaced instead by pictures that literally tickle your brain.

AllHarlowsEve 2 points 5y ago
Honestly, I'd be okay if I could just get a GIF itemizer. Like, touch a gif on Twitter, import to Gif Reader or whatever, and have it tell me, "Angry woman smashing pan while yelling. Text: I didn't get no sleep cuz of yall, yall aint gonna get no sleep cuz of me!" or "Cee-lo green holding a cat. The cat shakes its head, while he is stationary.“
Prefect316 [OP] 1 points 5y ago
This, too, would be amazing. Just anything to keep up with the evolving communication.
not_a_lizard-person 1 points 5y ago
Can you turn that idea into a Reddit "Good bot"?
AllHarlowsEve 2 points 5y ago
It could possibly be done by someone smarter and with more time than me, but it'd require a source for the gifs and already done descriptions, most likely.

Although, if there was a gif website where I could type in, like, "Fuck this, fuck that" and get relevant gifs, I'd use that, with the added benefit that everyone would know what the gif is for.

Now, if only I could do this myself... 🙃
Prefect316 [OP] 1 points 5y ago
Also, thanks for explaining the difference between memes and reaction pictures. I never understood the difference.
AllHarlowsEve 1 points 5y ago
Yeah, reaction images have fallen off a bit so it's mostly memes and gifs.
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redstone1337 1 points 5y ago
NVDA has built in OCR. If you're talking about image macros, which is what a lot of people mean when they say 'memes' than that should cover it.
voidcraftedgaming 1 points 5y ago
Hey! Have you seen us /r/TranscribersOfReddit around Reddit? We do a similar thing manually; all transcribed posts go to /r/ToR_Archive, so you can browse those and find the transcriptions in the comments. Please do ask any questions or give any feedback, we really appreciate it 😊
EndlessReverberation 1 points 5y ago
Hi mahakart, this sounds like it has a lot of potential. I'm not exactly sure what would be the best method for conveying info about the meme. I do think you would want to describe the picture, not just give the name of the meme, because if you had not come across the meme before the name would not offer a lot of info or context.

One side question I have; I have heard of your app, but I have not tried it yet. It's on iOS right? How would you run the pictures of the memes through it? If I'm browsing a twitter app do I have to click on the picture, and open it in your app? I'm only asking because such a process might take a little too long for me to use in casual situations. I know that what you can do in iOS is limited, do you have a Windows version of your service? An NVDA add on, for example, would be amazing. I would think that would be pretty easy to make and you could activate the service with just one key stroke, just like the OCR hot key that is now built into NVDA. I'm sorry that I have gotten off topic, I just think having a service like yours on Windows would be great. During my day job as an web accessibility tester I'm always having to say that random pictures on web sites don't have proper alt text. It would be really cool if I could say, the picture of the students standing in the classroom, for example, does not have alt text. Thanks again mahakart, cool stuff.
Prefect316 [OP] 2 points 5y ago
If anyone's contemplating making a Windows app for this don't forget about us technologically inept Mac users k thx bye
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