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When to help blind person on the street? (self.Blind)
submitted 5.231840727880658y ago by betaros
I am currently living in a foreign country where I am not proficient in the language. Earlier today, I walked by a blind man who had just walked into a scaffolding. He was irritated, but unhurt. After this he continued walking, crossing at a corner with no crosswalk or edge (leaving him presumably unaware that he was walking into the street). I stopped to make sure that he wasn't going to be hit by any of the buses passing by, but didn't interact with him. Fortunately some strangers were crossing the street at the same corner, and saw what was going on. They walked him back to the corner where he came from and started talking to him. Should I have helped the man when I saw him walking into the street?
EndlessReverberation 9 points 5y ago
I believe the number one guide line for helping blind people is to ask first. Of course, your situation complicates this, since there is a language barrier. I don't know if there is a perfect fix to the problem your asking about. Perhaps you can at least learn the word for assistance. maybe saying that word would be at least enough to ask the blind person in question if they want help. As a blind person, for me the most inexcusable thing that sighted people do is touch me without asking. The difficult thing is, there is no way to ever know what a blind person needs or what help they may desire unless you ask them first. Some blind people may want a lot of help, some blind people may want no help, and most blind people are some where in the middle, depending on the situation. So when possible ask, don't assume. I will say, there have been countless times when someone who does not speak my language has tried to help me, offten resulting in a lot of confusion, and very little help.
Smokeandmirrorshere 1 points 5y ago
So you are probably the best person to ask. Today, I was in a queue at the bank. A blind man came along and the customer service assistant told the man that there was a queue and he would get him a chair. Then, the assistant asked me if he could go in front of me as I was first in the queue. I said 'sure.' However, he was clearly having trouble getting to the window so I guided him with my voice and by touching him. How should I have handled it ? The customer service assistant just walked off. After the man was done with what he came to the bank for, he looked like he was about to walk into a pillar so I guided him out of the building - again by touching his arm as well as using my voice.
EndlessReverberation 1 points 5y ago
It sounds like a tricky situation, and I'm afraid I can't give a great answer, since I was not there. You and the bank telor saw the person in question, I did not. Reading between the lines of your question, it sounds like this blind person may have also been elderly, or had other things he was dealing with, which further complicates things. I will do my best to sum up what I think may have been done poorly, by multiple people; please remember I do not have a lot of info here, and this is just my opinion.

First of all, I find the customer service assistant's behavior confusing on several points. I'm not quite sure why they thought the blind person needed a chair if he was just trying to line up with everyone else; I'm constantly reminding sighted people that being blind does not effect your legs, we can stand in lines, on subways, etc. just like everyone else. Of course, perhaps there is something I am missing, such as the blind person being elderly etc.

Secondly, why did the customer service assistant have the blind man cut in line, which is my understanding of what happened. This seems especially odd after directing the man to sit down. I don't understand why the customer service assistant would think the blind man would need to sit down at all if he was going to have him jump to the front of the line; from the info I have, it sounds like the customer service assistant changed his mind after first thinking the blind man should sit while waiting for his turn. Again I'll point out that blind people should wait in line just like everyone else.

Finally, if the customer service assistant was making such a big deal about "helping" the blind person, I agree with you that they could have done a better job with directing the blind person to the front of the line. I think it is fine, and often preferable, to not swoop in on a blind person and assume they need lots of help. However, if your going to do that, as the customer service assistant did, it seems like your giving yourself the responsibility to aid the blind person in question and you should probably carry that job through, unless the blind person says otherwise. The blind man in question may have assumed that the customer service assistant was going to do this. He may have also been confused, due to the odd behavior of the customer service assistant.

Now it's time to go through what I think the blind person did wrong. I feel as though the blind person may have helped setup the entire confusing situation that you described; of course, I don't know what was going through his mind, or what he may have been saying or trying to due, and I'm not about to say that my way of doing things is the perfect correct method. If I walked into a bank I would assume that there would likely be a line I needed to find, in order to be served. I would walk towards any sounds that seemed like they could be employees serving customers and ask the first person I came to if there was a line for the window. I'm thinking this would have been about the point where the customer service assistant would have offered me a chair. I would have explained that I was just looking for the back of the line and that I did not need to sit down; it's impossible to say what would have followed at this point, perhaps the customer service assistant would have listened to me and showed me where the back of the line was, perhaps they would have wanted me to cut to the front of the line etc. The point is, I would have made it very clear what I needed, \(finding the back of the line\) so that the customer service assistant had no reason or excuse for being confused about how to help me. You did not mention if the blind person said anything during this entire situation, so I will just have to assume that they did not. If the blind person did not explain what they needed to the customer service assistant it's pretty understandable that they would be confused about how to help them. If they were confused it makes since that they might change their mind, chair vs. cut in line, and that they would think they were done helping when, in fact, the blind person still needed to find the front of the line. It may not have had an effect on what the customer service assistant did, but I think the blind person bares a big part of the blame for the whole situation; saying something like, "can you show me where the back of the line is please?" could have really clear things up.

Once the blind person has not explained what they need, and the customer service assistant has started doing a poor job of swooping in to the rescue, it made the entire thing a guessing game for everyone involved, including you. I do not think what you did was obviously wrong, in fact, it was probably appropriate for the situation. If the blind person was looking for the front of the line, I think the best thing you could have done was say something so he could hear what he was looking for. If audio clues/aid was not helping him find the front of the line, perhaps, even touching him was ok; maybe he had hearing issues. Of course, if the blind man in question said anything about what he needed/wanted then that would dictate what was appropriate. Once again, if he did not say anything he was leaving it up to others to make guesses and I don't think he could blame people if they guessed wrong.

One thing I will say about the blind man walking towards the piller. It is possible that he may have hit it, he does not sound like the most capable blind person. However, sighted people do often mistakenly believe that we are going to run into things because of the way long white canes work. If the man in question was using his cane correctly, it should have hit the pillar before him, there by informing him of its presence. In other words, the man may have been in no real danger of hitting anything, but it looked like he was. if he was a capable blind person, using his cane correctly, with nothing else going on with him, I think you should not have touched him to help with the pillar. Of course, this once again goes back to us having to guessed; ideally, I would say use words, not touching, to help the man, but I understand that it may have looked like he was about to hurt himself and that touching him would be the quickest way to help.

No two situations are exactly the same. Both blind and sighted people have to make assumptions some of the time. I am always trying to determine if a sighted person will be able/willing to offer me helpful and appropriate aid. I often am very selective about who I ask for help, and what kind of help I ask for. I understand that sighted people are also trying to make sumptions. I believe it is my job to be clear about what help I want, and to try and seem capable and independent so sighted people understand how to treat me. I believe it is sighted people's job to treat blind people with respect, and to ask instead of assuming, when possible.
themanje 5 points 5y ago
Most blind people who are traveling out on the street on their own have the skills to do so and know where they are going. Sometimes construction shows up and throws things off, so it’s easy to get frustrated as a blind person when all of a sudden the sidewalk is no longer there or is covered in construction materials. But exploring and problem solving is the way to figure that out, even though it may appear to a sighted person that the blind person is lost. Never assume that a blind person needs helps. It’s really frustrating for blind folks to have people grab them or grab their cane and try to steer them away from the road or obstacles. Sometimes that’s exactly where they’re headed. It’s a lot like someone grabbing the steering wheel while you’re driving. If you’re concerned, ask if they need help, and if they say no, move along.
redstone1337 3 points 5y ago
I concur that grabbing is bad. I'd only accept it if I were in legitimate danger. Bumping into a parked car is not danger. Neither is waiting for a few stop light cycles to read the traffic patterns before crossing.
Cattus_deam 2 points 5y ago
Oh, gosh yes the grabbing. Also people that hold doors open and don't say they are doing so.
laconicflow 3 points 5y ago
The easiest thing to do is to ask if the person needs help. You can't just walk up to someone and grab them, at the very best that's confusing. A blind person won't be confused about whether they need help or not. If you see something unsafe, you can always say, "do you know you're in the street?" If you don't speak the language, your ability to help is limitted.
SnoobertDoobertDoo 1 points 5y ago
The short version: when they ask.

**Do not touch a blind person who has not asked for your help**

If they're about to walk off a ledge or into traffic or something then by all means, try to help. But unless they're in immediate danger, don't help if it wasn't asked for.

Not only can you hinder and disorient them and ultimately cause more harm than good, but you may also get whacked in the face because they might think you're trying to rob them or harass them in some way. (There are a lot of jerks out there who think handicapped people are easy targets for that kind of shit)

I'm legally blind and live in a big city which is very diverse. A lot of people speak different languages and many don't speak English very well. I take the public bus on a daily basis. Sometimes when I'm waiting at the stop, people just assume I'm trying to cross the street, grab me by the arm and say nothing as they pull me to the other side of the street. This usually results in me getting confused about where I am, taking time to reorient myself, missing my bus, being late, and generally inconveniencing the people waiting for me.

I'd recommend learning how to ask if someone needs assistance in the language spoken wherever you are. Otherwise someone else should be able to help them.

redstone1337 1 points 5y ago
I always grab the pole with the bus stop sign on it while I wait. I don't know if this actually works, but in my head it visually reinforces that I'm waiting for the bus. I've had buses that should have stopped blow by me, I'm assuming because of my guide dog.
SnoobertDoobertDoo 1 points 5y ago
I'm reluctant to grab the poles for a few reasons. Mostly hygiene and avoiding getting rusty nails or splinters in places where they shouldn't be. Most of the bus stops where I live are made on wooden posts and hydro poles.
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