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I need recommendations for software and resources to help a blind person to independently use a computer. (self.Blind)
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Asajev 6 points 5y ago
Good Day Adaptive Technology Instructor here:

Mac OS systems are good for Blind individuals in general but may be more expensive then what you or your friend is willing to spend. Windows based systems have Windows Magnifier for Screen Magnification along with Windows Narrator that is a Screen Reader built into the Operating system similar to Zoom and Voice Over in Mac OS systems. You can get a good Screen Reader that is more advanced then Windows Narrator called NVDA link provided here \($1\). If you want Industry Standard then go to Freedom Scientific Jaws but NVDA is free and does many of the same things. If your friend is using Linux or Unix I would have to research that more but that should help your friend.
Mighty6Tighty6Whitey 2 points 5y ago
Thanks for the help, I will try to suggest the Mac if they can afford it.
Ramildo 3 points 5y ago
I used to use a Mac, but last year I switched to Windows with NVDA and am not looking back. While NVDA does not have anything like VoiceOver's Trackpad Commander I personally find that way of using VoiceOver quite inconvenient. It's useful on phones ant tablets since those devices lack a physical keyboard by default, but pressing key combinations to invoke screen-reader and (in the case of Windows) operating system commands is much more efficient, and NVDA shines there, as NVDA's commands are much more comfortable than VoiceOver's.

The old reddit layout is particularly hard to navigate using VoiceOver's trackpad commander since you can't easily do things like jump to the next tab index or jump to the link immediately following a button without messing with rotor settings. With NVDA and Chrome, for example, you just need to press tab to jump to the next headline, or B followed by K to jump to the link following a button.

Another advantage of PCs over Macs for disabled people is Windows' lower hardware requirements. I'm on a Lenovo IdeaPad 100s which is a very low-end computer without moving parts much like the MacBook and this thing runs blazing fast with Windows 10 for a third the price of a MacBook.
Mighty6Tighty6Whitey 1 points 5y ago
So given the price difference you prefer to use windows?
Ramildo 3 points 5y ago
The price isn't even the primary reason, as I prefer NVDA to VoiceOver since I think the keyboard is a much better interface to use blind, and NVDA's key combinations are much easier to memorize and perform than VoiceOver's.
bradley22 3 points 5y ago
I'd recommend NVDA www.nvaccess.org and a windows laptop. Here's a video on getting started with NVDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aop4qYc5mqg&pbjreload=10

I'd not recommend JAWS as it's expensive and You can do the same or nearly the same things with NVDA that you would be able to do with JAWS.

There's also VoiceOver for the IPhone and applevis.com They have guides on using the IPhones for beginners and they're really good.
Mighty6Tighty6Whitey 1 points 5y ago
Good advice, I don't think they have the $1200 to drop on the software!
bradley22 1 points 5y ago
Yeah, it's way to expensive.
AllHarlowsEve 3 points 5y ago
I personally use Mac, it comes with a built in screen reader and if you get a macbook, most of what you do is able to be done by gesturing on the trackpad. I taught myself to use it comfortably in a few months.

Others use Windows, although I personally find it annoying, since so much of it is using key combinations and Windows is naturally slower, although it has more accessible apps.

Do they use a phone or tablet?
Mighty6Tighty6Whitey 1 points 5y ago
Is the screen reader you mentioned verbal?
AllHarlowsEve 2 points 5y ago
Do you mean is it audio? It has audio, can be used with a Braille display, and there's also dictation if she's not great at typing.
Mighty6Tighty6Whitey 1 points 5y ago
Nothing at this point, we are looking all of our options at the moment. So you think Mac is the way to go?
AllHarlowsEve 2 points 5y ago
Is there any way you guys could check one out? Maybe at, like, a best buy or apple store, or something similar?

I'd check into the commands and have her go there and try it, to see if it makes any sense.

If you have a windows computer, you could also download NVDA and let her try it.

I personally wouldn't drop the $1000+ without trying it, but I like mac myself.
FrankenGretchen 1 points 5y ago
Is this person in the US? If so, voc rehab can help with tech acquisition and training. Not saying they're miracle workers but a free or subsidized computer can be a great jumpstart. I know similar programs exist in other countries I'm just not that familiar with them.

What I would suggest is having client sit down with a tech advocate who can bring along many options for inspection. It's not our opinion or your judgement that makes a good fit for a user but their preferences and plans for use. I will also say that autonomy in such decisions belongs to the user and starting in a place of self-determination can be the most empowering first step a person can be supported in making.

You can find TAs through voc rehab or advocacy centers like Centers for Independent Living or the Lighthouse. The NFB and ACB are fabulous resources, too.
Warthil 2 points 5y ago
I am going to make a slightly different suggestion. I would step back first and ask why they want a computer? What would your friend like to do? Maybe a computer is not the right choice. A tablet or phone might be a good first step. In this case I would definitely recommend an iPhone or iPad. Both of these devices have a shorter learning curve and might be a good place to begin. An added benefit is the free training if you have an Apple store close to where you live. It does not have to be the newest iPhone or iPad to start.
Mighty6Tighty6Whitey 1 points 5y ago
That's a good suggestion. I think they are wanting to store TV shows and movies, and browse social media mostly.
Warthil 2 points 5y ago
Netflix is accessible on an iPhone or iPad. I like Netflix because it has a lot of descriptive audio. Social media is often a little easier on tablet or phone. I can also write a full essay on an iPhone, have it read news websites and do pretty much all the same basic tasks on a computer. Braille displays will connect to the iPhone or a QWERTY keyboard. I use both types of keyboards at different times with an iPhone depending upon what I am doing.
-shacklebolt- 1 points 5y ago
I agree. An iphone or ipad is dead simple to learn to use, and useful for most tasks a beginning computer user might want to do anyways. It's a good option.
-shacklebolt- 2 points 5y ago
What are the resources like where you live? In some countries, blind people can get training how to use technology or help purchasing it through the government.

Computers, smartphones, tablets, etc are accessed with a screen reader. On a computer typically a person will type with the keyboard, and then receive audible feedback. The cheapest fully functional computer option is to buy a windows PC and install [NVDA]
(https://www.nvaccess.org/) on it. Macs are great too, but more expensive. (Don't bother with linux for a blind person who is new to using a computer.)

iphones and ipads are very accessible to blind people using voiceover. [Applevis]
(https://www.applevis.com/new-to-ios) has good info. You use the touchscreen for most things (using gestures) but you can also use Siri and dictation. Android devices are also accessible with talkback, but there is typically more of a learning curve and it's not as consistent between apps and devices. For a new smartphone user, I would definitely recommend an iphone if it's affordable.

If your friend reads braille, braille displays can be attached to a computer or smartphone using a USB cable or bluetooth. They show the same text that is being read out loud by the screen reader in braille, using raised mechanical pins. They're typically expensive however. The cheapest one (by far) you can buy currently that I know of is the Orbit Reader 20, which is $449 through APH. A braille display is not necessary if your friend is able to hear and understand speech.

There are also dedicated devices for blind people, like notetakers which are basically PDAs designed for blind people. They're very expensive, and honestly not necessary for most blind people these days with how accessible regular computers and smart phones are.
Mighty6Tighty6Whitey 1 points 5y ago
Thank you for such a detailed response. I'll have to get with them about the pricing but that braille reader looks amazing! The resources are limited where they live, being a small rural town, which is why I am trying to figure out myself how to help with this.
-shacklebolt- 3 points 5y ago
You're welcome.

Keep in mind, the orbit reader will only work one of two ways: connected to a device like a computer or smartphone, or with text files loaded onto an SD card by someone else. It's an accessory to your primary device (phone, computer) for most people.

At least here in the US, people living in rural areas can typically get services provided to them by the state with trainers coming out to them if they otherwise meet the criteria for services, or be sent to a residential training program to learn a variety of blindness skills. Depending on where your friend lives, such services may be available to them.
[deleted] [OP] 1 points 5y ago
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