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At what speed rate you guys use your screen readers? (self.Blind)
submitted by Xomrade
EndlessReverberation 2 points 5y ago
Yes, I too find that NVDA starts chopping off words past 95 percent, however, I believe that is mainly due to synthesizers/voices. I use Microsoft David, but my wife uses eloquence with NVDA and she has it at insane speeds.

To the person who was talking about entering text on phones, you can, actually dictate into any text field, apart from password fields. Using the default iOS keyboard you should have a dictate button you can simply press to start speaking. I'm waiting for my Android phone to arrive, so I can't talk about that platform with much experience, but the G board has very good dictation and I would think it could be used in almost every text field.

I agree that on-screen QWERTY keyboards are not very efficient, but I really love using the built in on-screen braille keyboard on iOS. For me, using the braille keyboard is very very comfortable and fast. I can easily get speeds of over forty words a minute, when I'm just typing at a average, comfortable speed, and I believe I could type faster then many sighted people using on-screen QWERTY keyboards; plus I find the spell correct function much nicer to use on the braille keyboard when compared to the default QWERTY keyboard. There is a similar keyboard on Android. I only have a tiny bit of experience with that keyboard, but it seems to work well; however, to use it you do have to suspend TalkBack, which does make it a little less ideal when compared to the iOS option. I have been using different versions of on-screen braille keyboards since around 2012, so it might take you a little time to become comfortable with the concept if you are just starting out. By the way, I understand that if you don't know how to type in braille this style of keyboard does you no good, but I do think it's the best method for typing blind people have on virtual keyboards.
-shacklebolt- 2 points 5y ago
On NVDA espeak-ng max, rate boost around 30-40%.

On voiceover, Alex at 95-100%.

In Voice Dream, I like Peter a lot but it doesn't get super fast (530 max.) I've recently been using iOS gordon voice at around 750-870 depending on what I'm reading. I have had to add a lot of dictionary entries, as it pronounces a lot of words wrong that other voices don't.

I've been using TTS at least some of the time for about a decade now.
Xomrade [OP] 1 points 5y ago
Your speeds are impressive!
I can't go go beyond 95% in NVDA
Beyond that NVDA starts to flutter, and thus I find boost mode annoying. But, I'm want higher speeds. I guess I would have to try eloquence now.
Don't you find typing on the phone annoying? I wish there could be a technology where we could simply dictate into every edit field
-shacklebolt- 1 points 5y ago
All voices I know of currently are going to have issues at high speeds, and espeak-ng actually handles them better than most (and allows you to use faster voices than most.) I definitely notice the garbled sounds at higher speeds.

I'm not writing novels on my phone so it hasn't been an issue. On the iphone I think you can dictate anywhere, but I don't use that so I'm not sure.
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[deleted] 2 points 5y ago
I’ve been using bard, voiceover and jaws still at normal speed for about 2 years now. I was an extremely fast reader but with audio i just can’t focus on the content when its sped up.
Xomrade [OP] 2 points 5y ago
2years are not much. Give it some time you will definitely advance. Trying spending more time with one voice only and don't jump ahead of yourself. Gradually introduce incremental increases of 2-3%, don't try jumping 10% at once. You will see consideration improvement, no matter how sense the material you are reading. I came across one guy who uses NVDA at 60% with boost rate turned on. This is insanely fast even with elite standards.
AllHarlowsEve 2 points 5y ago
I use my phone at 100 percent, my mac's closer to 70 though.
Xomrade [OP] 1 points 5y ago
How long have you been using screen readers?
AllHarlowsEve 1 points 5y ago
Since late 2013 or early 2014, I forget when I got my first iPhone.
ENTJ351 1 points 4y ago
I use to be able to use it between 80% and 90%. However, for reading I slowed it down a bit. I can’t understand large rapid blocks of text for everyday messages liek this, 80% was fine. But I slowed it down for reading, and thus kept the rate there for everything else. Now I am not use to the sppeed. It’s very much a trained thing. I am going to have to retrain myself for faster speeds of listening. I think I use it at default on the computer, so fairly slow. I’ve never been a auditory learner though for books and texts. I have always used a read/write format. I am currently. At 70 percent and I just recently changed it. It works but it still feels a little fast. It was at 60 percent. I will probably slow it down for more extensive text again.
Xomrade [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Yeah I also use it that way. What is a read/write format?
ENTJ351 2 points 4y ago
I mean like read/write method like the format I go by is that. I tend to learn by reading and writing everything. I mean actual reading and not listening. For instance if I was to read anything serious for school, it has to be read in braille or else I am not going to understand it.
Xomrade [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Alright, got it thanks!
I also feel like noting down important stuff to fully understand it. I usually keep an empty word file open along with the ebook I'm reading.
ENTJ351 1 points 4y ago
That’s not a bad method to memory. For me maybe it’ll be useful, but maybe not. Articulating ideas is a really good learning strategy but I wouldn’t go back and read and review it. I am smart enough Praise the Lord that for me at least I can read it once get really good comprehension skills, and I can understand the concepts and don’t need to review notes. But yeah, that’s a really good way of it. Or just writing out a journal after you read or post one of those blogs on a subject you’re really passionate about and trying to learn.
hopesthoughts 1 points 5y ago
Eloquence at around 81% right now. I started in 2000. Although I have a friend who started several years before me (sometime in the 90s) and is probably at about 60% if that.
Xomrade [OP] 1 points 5y ago
Hey! Thank you for that information! The part about keyboards was very helpful till now I have been using Virtual Keyboard but let me try The Brave One
EndlessReverberation 1 points 5y ago
Karin Compact on iOS at 100 percent, David on NVDA at 95 percent. I tend to turn speeds up to the fastest speed that does not cause the voice to start skipping words, or become incoherent. Faster speeds will become possible with more experience. I have been using screen readers for about 9 years now, and when I first started I could not believe how fast other blind people's computers sounded. My wife's computer still sounds fast to me, she was born blind, so she has about a 23 year head start on me. You might try bumping your speed up a tiny bit and trying to live with it for a few days, I started doing that back in the day and it would be amazing how quickly something that had been fast would become comfortable.
Xomrade [OP] 1 points 5y ago
Don't you notice NVDA fluttering at 100%? It is still very comprehensible, buy fluttering is annoying. Because of this I'm stuck at 95. I will try eloquence to see if I could reach faster speeds with it
Raf_AL 1 points 5y ago
Swedish voice over at 75%. English at 70%, and when I use finnissh I have to go down to 45% I think.
modulus 1 points 5y ago
Eloquence at 70%.
Xomrade [OP] 1 points 5y ago
How long have you been using screen readers?
modulus 1 points 5y ago
I don't know, some time in the early 2000s I suppose.
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