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For the Love of Shit, Read the FAQ (self.Blind)
submitted by SnoobertDoobertDoo
This rant post is addressing the sighted tech developers, game designers, writers and students looking for visually impaired volunteers. The following are personal opinions. Let me know what you think.

I just think it's baffling that we get so many sighted visitors to this sub who don't bother to read the FAQ or use the search function and end up asking the same questions over and over and over again.

How do blind people use Reddit? Screen Readers like JAWS, Zoomtext and VoiceOver.

To the people trying to develop new technology to help blind people I ask that you do some research on things like canes, screen readers and tactile watches before trying to reinvent the wheel. That being said, there's always room for improvement. We get a lot of posts and comments about hypothetical technology conceived by sighted people who have never interacted with a blind person in their life. I know you mean well, and I know it isn't everybody, but please, **Do your research first.** And if you're trying to design tech for the blind for a school project, I'd recommend choosing a different topic because

A) Your invention probably already exists or something incredibly similar does.

B) Depending on where you live, there might not be any blind people around who can actually test your invention. And no, putting a blindfold on is not enough to simulate being blind. A blindfolded person won't have the same skills and experiences as someone who actually lives with a visual impairment.

C) it's really annoying and vague when people ask things like "what kinds of assistive technology would you find helpful?" Wanting to help blind people is great, but if you're doing it for a project, you should have something specific in mind. Also good to remember: most people don't want to have to wear motion sensors or any kind of bulky contraption when they go out.

D) You might not have the resources or the time to actually make it happen.

To the gamers:

There are plenty of games designed specifically for the visually impaired. Additionally some people's conditions don't actually prevent them from playing certain types of games. One of the best Street Fighter players in the world is completely blind and taught themselves how to play based on the different sounds that all of the combos make. As far as designing games to be accessible, just get creative and be sure to include audio.

To the writers:

The three most important things I personally think should be taken into account when writing blind characters are:

1) The severity of their visual impairment. Some people can only see shapes. Some people can only see colours. Some people can actually see perfectly but have a very small field of vision and so it affects their mobility. The list goes on. There are thousands of eye conditions, and everybody compensates for theirs in their own way. Remember *visual impairment is a spectrum* it's not just "Totally blind or completely sighted."

2) The age they were when they lost their sight, and how it happened. Creating a rich backstory is just good writing. This will help you determine how well adapted the character is to their situation. Everybody adjusts to their situation at their own pace. Some people hit the ground running, other people don't leave their homes for years. Roughly half the blind people in Canada are unemployed and pretty much never leave the house. Being visually impaired affects people's lives in huge ways, and small ways too. For example: The worst thing about losing your vision as an adult in my opinion is not being able to drive anymore. Busing everywhere wastes so much time, but taking taxis everywhere gets expensive.

3) Avoid clichés. Blind people can do a lot more than practice law and play musical instruments. As a matter of fact, there really isn't anything a sighted person can do that a blind person can't. There are plenty of things we probably shouldn't do like drive into traffic, or carry and shoot firearms in populated areas, but nothing that we can't find a way to do except critiquing graphic art in accurate and meaningful ways.

To the mod team: Maybe we could add a weekly megathread for the kinds of posts I outlined like tech development and writing? Or add flairs for writing and people trying to "design things to help the blind." Or both?

To conclude: reading the same 3 posts submitted by different users over and over again is kind of annoying, and easily avoidable if people would just read the FAQ. I'll say again, I'm only speaking on my own behalf. If you agree, or disagree, please let me know, and tell me why. I just wanna make our sub a more organized place.

-Snooby
bondolo 4 points 4y ago
Reposts of the same old things is the nature of reddit and the Internet in general. We're in the $1. I encourage you to contribute this material to the FAQ as there is the possibility that someone might read it before posting but expect that most of the time they won't.
multi-instrumental 3 points 4y ago
Love the post...there needs to be a "megathread" stickied that addresses FAQs. You're also missing a really big point: people should really be compensated for their time. If a dev/engineer/etc. wants feedback on a products it would be ideal to pay the person who is helping them develop said product.


>As a matter of fact, there really isn't anything a sighted person can do that a blind person can't.

but this isn't at all true.

Most posts on here are, "My husband/SO/daughter/aunt/uncle/mom/dad/grandma/etc. is blind. She needs to use a smartphone/computer".

Do some damn searching people! Jesus Christ people are lazy...

I would also never call myself "blind". I use "visually impaired" or "my eyes don't work very well anymore". lol
SnoobertDoobertDoo [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Fair enough, I started using them interchangeably in the post because typing out "visually impaired" every time kinda sucks. And I live in a really diverse area where a lot people don't speak english so I'm in the habit of using "blind" so it's easier for them to understand, especially if I'm in a rush and don't really have time to explain my condition because a lot of them won't understand "I don't see very well" or "I'm visually impaired." Sadly when I say things like that people usually respond with something along the lines of "why don't you get glasses?"

As for what visually impaired people are capable of, I stand by what I said. Just because we don't do things the same way sighted people do, doesn't mean we can't do them. Humans are very adaptable creatures. We use our phones with screen readers. There are even apps that let you take pictures of text and have it read it to you. I play baseball and hockey with several people who are completely blind. One of those friends works for the local police and has actually fired a gun at a range before, and driven a car on a frozen lake. A few of us have even driven go karts before. Really the only thing a sighted person can do that a visually impaired person can't is see things normally. It might not be nearly as easy for us to do everything a sighted person can, but with the right adaptations and attitude, we can figure anything out.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
multi-instrumental 1 points 4y ago
I agree with your attitude & *adapting* a task or job to a blind (or visually impaired person), but a blind person cannot (for example) drive like a normal person would.

There's many more examples, and it's just fine to be satisfied with adapting to a job or choosing a different career/activity because of a disability. I don't think you're helping anyone by being delusional (not that you are).
ScarReincarnated 3 points 4y ago
I believe some people find it easier just to ask than to search. You get a direct answer. Also, not everyone knows about the sidebar, or FAQ section. Sprcially if they are really new to reddit. Also, think about mobile users, it took me a while to find the “side bar” and other stuff in the reddit app.
rkingett 3 points 4y ago
I just downvote and move on, turning on the setting in reddit where if I downvote something it goes away.

But yeah, it is astonishing how many sighted people don't read the FAQ or the sidebar. I don't get it.
imau91 3 points 4y ago
Hey speaking of games, can anyone recommend any to me? I've been able to play stuff like Thomas Was Alone, Stardew Valley, South Park games etc. that are slow-paced and/or turn-based. But it's always hard to discover new ones. I'd love to hear suggestions from fellow VI people. :(
Amonwilde 3 points 4y ago
I can't play Stardew Valley, or find it a pain because of so much text, but I can play Xcom 2 with my low vision. I hold up Seeing AI to the screen to read the descriptions of technology and info boxes, but if you can read the headers you can also look those up online.

I've beaten Dark Souls, which is a feat for most sighted gamers. It had nicebig characters and because it's a console port the text is large and generally not critical to playing.

I enjoyed Way of the Passive Fist, which is a new and pretty weird side-scrolling beam-em-up that was originally designed for one handed or otherwise mobility impaired players.

I've gotten a lot of play out of Slay the Spire. I zoom in to read the cards when they first appear and then kind of just know what the cards do after a while. It was a bit of a strain for the first few hours but after that I had a good idea of what the cards did and could play with relative ease.

I enjoy text-based games, like Kerkerkruip and the Choice of Games games, when my eyes are strained.
Vanna_pNk 1 points 4y ago
I second being able to play xcom, it's been one of the easiest for me to move in so far!
Raf_AL 0 points 4y ago
Shellshock live might be a good game for you, if you like turn based games.

You probably know about the worms games already, but if not, you should check them out asap.
SnoobertDoobertDoo [OP] 1 points 4y ago
And I actually agree with all the things that were laid out in that post. I just made this one because it's still kinda annoying for me and unneeded to vent at 3:30 in the morning. And my issue isn't so much with the surveys as it is with the repeat questions with simple answers that are in the FAQ that people don't bother to check. It's a lot easier for a sighted person to glance at it than to navigate to it using voiceover and find specific relevant section. There are visually impaired people who use the search feature and read the FAQ's in all the subs they browse. The fact that so many sighted people here apparently ignore it just bothers me a lot. Again, just trying to vent. I see the irony and you make an excellent point. It's just frustrating is all. Sorry for making such a fuss.
fastfinge 1 points 4y ago
Hmmm. Speaking of not using the search, we had this discussion a few months ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Blind/comments/85ojma/are_the_large_numbers_of_surveys_a_problem/

At that point the majority opinion was that it wasn't a problem.

But be careful when chiding others for something you failed to do yourself. Just saying.
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