Do blind people hit their head on things often? I assume not at home, as you probably know it really well, but somewhere else? You cant really detect objects at head height with a cane or a guide dog right?
GoBlindOrGoHome6 points4y ago
Shoulders and thighs take a real beating from doorways and objects, but the worst thing is when my cane gets stuck and I stab myself full force in the gut or hip.
gracefulltree4 points4y ago
This happens to me almost every day!
saizai1 points4y ago
I do both constant contact (most places) & two-touch (in super smooth areas like malls, some public transit stations, offices, etc).
I used to have this as an issue. The NFB standard fiberglass cane w/ metal tip was *horrible* for this; it gets caught in every single crack, and then suddenly springs. Super light, but not worth it IMO.
I've had it happen much less since switching to a marshmallow roller tip & graphite folding cane. (I also carry a jumbo puck roller for grassy / dirt areas.)
Now, it only happens if my caning hand has drifted to the inside of my hip. I keep my caning hand straight down, so a bit to the side, resting on the side of my hip.
Also, I make sure to strap closed the jacket cuff of my caning hand. Otherwise the cane handle will sometimes get stuck on the sleeve. That's not painful like the gutpoke but does have the sudden jerk. Better to avoid it.
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Superfreq21 points4y ago
Caning hand sounds very BDSM ish LOL
Aulig [OP]1 points4y ago
That does sound like it hurts. Thanks a lot for your answer though!
RogueCandyKane5 points4y ago
Most blind people have done useful vision. But still, yes, I hit my head, thighs, elbows, a lot. I have no peripheral vision so if I open a kitchen cupboard door and forget, I will snack my head on it a minute later. People say, don’t you remember that you opened it? But that is the job of peripheral vision. A fully sighted person doesn’t remember they opened the cupboard door. Their peripheral vision reminds them. So it’s not just unfamiliar places, it’s at home too. My legs always have bruises on them from catching furniture corners. I misjudge door frames and catch elbows or shoulders. I’m probably safer outside because I have my guide dog with me or my long cane. Long cane doesn’t protect against overhanging branches though, or low hanging signs. My dog will scan upwards too and lead me away from an overhanging branch, I’ve long since developed a bounce reflex whereby I just shrug off bumps, even if they really hurt. It happens all the time so I literally don’t have the time to dwell on it much. The skin dies get damaged by constant knocks, i know if someone whose skin split and needed stitches from years of the same spot on his forehead getting caught by things. Although most bumps are inconsequential, the cumulative effect can be draining, there have been days when I’ve had one scrape too many and I’ve felt like crying. But mostly it’s just absorbed into my daily life.
Aulig [OP]2 points4y ago
The peripheral vision explanation makes sense yea. Id definitely also forget a lot of things I think. Thank you very much for your answer!
Prefect3164 points4y ago
Daily. I'm surprised I don't have some sort of bad concussion issues lol. For me, a totally blind guy since birth, it gets kind of frustrating. Sometimes you just wanna punch the cabinet door that you forgot to close and thus just gashed your head on. Sometimes I do hit it. Although this clearly is not the best coping method, but sometimes it feels pretty hopeless.
RogueCandyKane3 points4y ago
Being blind doesn’t come with a manual or makebus experts on how to be a blind person. We are just winging it like anyone else
saizai1 points4y ago
Or if you live with someone else and they've changed the state somehow, like leaving the dishwasher open. Ow my shins. :p
Superfreq21 points4y ago
Oh god tell me about it... I've gone nearly all the way over running to catch the phone and tripping over the dishwasher even though I was the one who opened it! Good thing I've got fast reflexes...
saizai1 points4y ago
Oof, yeah. Done that with chairs and such. Or power cords.
One thing sighted people don't comprehend about blind perception of the world is just how enormous a memory it requires. You're literally remembering the position of all the things in the room, and which are possible hazards and which move and what they sound like or how light they are or whatnot, all the time. Sighted people don't do that at all, since there's no reason to; it's just taken in visually as needed.
I nearly brained myself on an open van rear door once - the sort that swings upwards. At a busy taxi stand that I was crossing. I was pretty well out of it. Knew the car was there, approximately, and could hear the driver futzing about, but there were cars and drivers all over.
Didn't make the inference of 'oh there's probably an open hatch door between driver and car' until after I somehow felt the air pressure differential at a couple inches away from the door edge and reflex dove backwards. Nearly fell over in the process. It wasn't even at conscious level; just the "emergency hazard" lizard-brain.
Damn thing is too thin to generate much wind shadow etc, and out of it + tons of noise = not really noticing the inferences I ought to've to avoided it.
Would've really hurt. I was walking full speed, thin metal edge, right at forehead level. I still cringe.
Aulig [OP]1 points4y ago
I can relate to that, I have a table that I always hit my foot on because Im not paying attention and it makes me so angry!
ZippyTWP4 points4y ago
Sometime head, but usually shoulders or my side.
Laser_Lens_44 points4y ago
Daily. I somehow haven't broken anything yet.
Aulig [OP]1 points4y ago
I hope it stays that way!
bmmcginty3 points4y ago
Nice to know this is shared by many of us. (There's a door above our dryer I've considered removing with extreme prejudice.)
To u/GoBlindOrGoHome, I've found that the ramrod affect of a cane can be lessened when using the tapping technique (not sure if that's what you use or what's taught by default now).
GoBlindOrGoHome3 points4y ago
I use constant contact with a jumbo roller, which I find gets stuck less than a marshmallow roller.
I walked into our pantry cupboard door just a few days ago.
AllHarlowsEve3 points4y ago
Some guide schools train their dogs to look for head height obstacles as well.
I'm a cane user though, and I don't usually hit my head, mostly my hips and tits because they're what stick out the most in each direction lol.
Aulig [OP]1 points4y ago
Thats awesome that dogs can do that too!
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TheBlindBookLover2 points4y ago
I have a tendency to hurt my everything. I am also naturally clumsy on top of my visual impairment, so it has created a sometimes painful result. I once fell or ran into something (I don’t remember), and I had to wear long sleeve shirts or cardigans to hide suspicious looking bruises.
HotCheetosHoe2 points4y ago
I have some vision (can still recognize faces up close) but I don’t hit my head much. My legs/hips/arms, yes absolutely. All the time. But not my head. I feel like there’s not many things to hit your head on daily. And when you’re not fully relying on vision you’re more careful with your surroundings.
Aulig [OP]2 points4y ago
Yea probably its mostly open cupboards on head height like others have mentioned. Thanks for your answer!
ZippyTWP2 points4y ago
Sometime head, but usually shoulders or my side.
saizai1 points4y ago
IME it's pretty rare for anything painful. What I get:
1. leaves, branches, etc that jut out into sidewalks
Common and pretty much unavoidable unless you know that specific spot from previous experience.
I always wear a wide-brim hat, so I can partially avoid/shield this by just looking downwards, if I have a half-second or so of reaction time to go defensive.
2. street signs, phone booths, etc
If I notice a pole, I try to clear it vertically in case it has a projection. But depending on how fast I'm walking and how wide my sweep, I might not get the pole, and thus might not notice the sign or whatever projecting out from it. Or if I'm tired or distracted, I might forget to clear it.
In London (where I mainly live) this is almost never a problem. They have all signs mounted above head level.
(I did however once walk face first into a wall-mounted TV monitor with nothing below — in a UK government building's waiting area. That was a major fail. I reported it, but still waiting to hear back.)
In most other cities this is a major issue. Boston & DC especially, IME.
3. indoor stairs
Rare, but sometimes. Mainly two-level stores where they've failed to put barriers under the stairs. Hit myself pretty bad at a Starbucks in DC once.
4. tree branches in open fields
I can usually avoid this by sensing the rougher ground / higher grass / tree roots and switching to a high defense style of caning, but not always. Ran face first into a thick branch once, almost knocked me on my ass. ><
Superfreq21 points4y ago
Oh man stairs are really bad, very painful and sometimes harder to tell they are there because of the gaps making it less solid, plus they are sometimes in the middle of large areas where you wouldn't expect them so your walking fast. This is why I really wouldn't mind one of those vibrating ultrasonic sensor devices but one that only looks upwards. If I could clip it somewhere and it was small and had decent battery life...
Not if it was over like 150USD though.
quanin1 points4y ago
Not nearly as often as I probably should. If I don't know it's there, then yeah,probably. but in situations where I know I'm at risk of hitting my head, for example looking in the cupboards under the counter for something, the hand goes up before I do. Now, having just said that, I fully expect to brain myself on something stupid shortly.
Superfreq21 points4y ago
I use this same method and it rarely lets me down. Just being aware of what's going on around you is also useful E.G. if someone is cooking or doing dishes, or that you just opened that cupboard and then went away to do something else real quick.
Aulig [OP]1 points4y ago
Haha I hope not! Its great that youve gotten used to checking with your hand first.
quanin1 points4y ago
Eh. Been blind for 30+ years, and in 30+ years if I've learned anything it's to never say never. LOL
brimstone_tea1 points4y ago
Yup. But a guide dog is trained to avoid even obstacles that are none to them. So mine will protect me from anything in head height... But well that doesn't work at home of course ;)
Aulig [OP]1 points4y ago
Thats awesome that it works so well!
brimstone_tea1 points4y ago
Yes, I love my little furbaby so much *-* he's everything to me
KillerLag1 points4y ago
Most guide dogs are trained to check for obstacles at head height, and avoid it. Sometimes they get distracted, thought.
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