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Is there any value in verbal descriptions of art, specifically a painting? (self.Blind)
submitted by mayuru
I recently found out that people are attempting to give verbal descriptions of artistic paintings for the blind. Is there be any value in this for a person that is blind?
JackEsq 9 points 4y ago
Of course there is value to provide a blind person access to art and a part of culture. Why should they be denied access just because they experience the art in a different way than you do?

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mayuru [OP] 3 points 4y ago
Thanks for the link. It won't load for me? I'll try again later.
JackEsq 3 points 4y ago
Just google “blind painter” you will find many examples.
TeamRedwine 6 points 4y ago
A GOOD verbal description would begin with the obvious visual elements. Some art can even be converted into tactile representations, but this isn't always needed or even preferred.

Descriptions of realistic or surrealist art are fairly straightforward. Descriptions of impressionist or other art which is more of a tone piece are possible, but more difficult, especially for congenitally blind people who have never had vision.
JugglingWalnuts 1 points 4y ago
Do color fields get turned into fields of a particular bump pattern/size? Or how does that work.

>Some art can even be converted into tactile representations
Elystriel 2 points 4y ago
I put together a $1 at the $1 in Concepción, Chile. In it you can see paintings and their tactile representations, along with the mobility aids that have been added to the room to facilitate navigation from painting to painting.
JugglingWalnuts 1 points 4y ago
Neat. Is that run through a computer filter or done by hand?
RosyShine 6 points 4y ago
Starting off with I am totally blind and have been from birth. I like painting myself, even though they all turn out as more of blobs of paint, but hearing something described really means nothing to me. I would get more out of it if i could feel a representation of it. You can tell me about a painting all you want, but I will never really get it because I'll be too busy focusing on what the colors even are and trying to figure out how it can even look like it does. Just me though. Every blind person is different, and will get different things out of it.
mayuru [OP] 3 points 4y ago
Thank you. The difficulty I have is this: Does understanding the painting become the experience of the person talking or the person listening. You know it's kind of like eating ice cream. Everyone's experience is different. I don't really care what someone else thinks about it. I want to know what I experience.

Every person is different.

Please excuse me because I am one of those ignorant sight people that can't "see" most of the time. I wrote see in quotes.
RosyShine 2 points 4y ago
Personally, i do think its a personal thing. Like, if you were to tell me you were looking at a picture of a horse, and you thought the horse looked pretty, someone else could see the same picture and tell me the horse looks really sick and like it's unhealthy. So, if i were to some how see the picture, I might think the horse isn't pretty, but looks very healthy.
just an example, probably a bad one, but that's all i could think of.
mayuru [OP] 2 points 4y ago
I thought it was a great example! A similar thought from that is one person doesn't have any interest in the written description. Another person thinks a different way and thinks the description is very valuable. They both find the horse, in this case the description of the picture a different value.
RosyShine 1 points 4y ago
exactly. Each person gets a different thing out of one thing. So, descriptions of art may be useful, for a class or something, but overall, it is only a description, and is up to each person to get value from.
RogueCandyKane 3 points 4y ago
Just because the experience will be different does not make it less valuable
ilivetofly 2 points 4y ago
I mean I think it's super valuable. I think it's similar to when your watching a movie and it's got subtitles on. Sure it may say "upbeat music" or "door slams" and if you can hear that is a bit odd for you it should still be there.

It allows people to experiance the aspects of life they are missing in the best way that they can. I mean sure it may not be the same if you suddenly went blind and can't look at that pretty picture but I'm sure you would still like on occasion to know what the content of the painting is.

Plus not eveyone is totally unable to see. Someone may need that description to tell them that the squiggle they are looking at is actually a moth, then they will realise and be able to see it. Others may need to have a specification on if it's just a misty setting or if someone steamed up their glasses (as an unrealistic example).

Really it's exactly like subtitles on movies or shows. It's something that people who don't even need to use it can get value from and that in itself is reason enough.

I can see but sometimes I miss things. Maybe I didn't notice that amazingly detailed bee in the lower corner because I was looking at the sunset. A description of the painting would draw my attention to it so I didn't miss it.

These kinds of aid provide value not only to those who have no other choice but to use them, they provide value to eveyone. Being blind, even totally unable to see should not in our strive for equality prevent someone from enjoying the arts.
oncenightvaler 1 points 4y ago
I think it would have to be done by an art expert or at the very least someone who worked in the field. I would love a Braille guide book to art museums describing each art piece in detail. This is the extent of some of my art knowledge.

Salvador Dali made surreal paintings of melting clocks.

M. C. Esher made paintings of staircases just suspended.

I think one of the most descriptive and evocative pieces of art actually came from Dan Brown's descriptions of some of Leonardo Da Vinci's work in the Da Vinci Code.
babyf88 1 points 4y ago
People's imagination might go beyond what they see sometimes. I think it has priceless value in it. I would appreciate a lot for the efforts.
mayuru [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Thanks everyone for your comments. They were very helpful.
FrankenGretchen 1 points 4y ago
I think description is an artform in itself. Whether your friend is trying to be objective or its a professional with expertise in the genre would make a difference in the report you got for sure. There'd be times I'd prefer one or the other, I think.

I'd love to find out about the details I missed or hear an interpretation from someone with greater experience in a genre or with a particular artist than me.

Audio description of TV is a thing I haven't tried to listen to or do, yet but it is a viable means of inclusion. Why not art?

I've been thinking of the poor sucker who gets to describe a show like the haunting of hill house versus how I'd be doing it. Where do they find such cool heads? Lol
silverhythm 2 points 4y ago
You really should go watch some Hill House with the audio description on. They put a lot of effort into getting the descriptions to cover lots of detail without losing brevity, and in a show like that the narrator has to nail the timing in order to not undermine any of the more intense/scary scenes. Netflix is one of the best in the business at it, and they are at even their very best with Hill House.
FrankenGretchen 1 points 4y ago
Will do! Hubby was jumping at some scenes which says volumes in itself. I was ready to run from the room. I'm sure they do a couple watch throughs before attempting to describe in a rational manner but I'd still be a running away.

For example, I've seen Descent three times and still scream at some of those scenes. While hilarious and entertaining under the right curcunstances, my description would not be accurate or professional. "Oh, lawd! Scary scene! He clambin all overtop of her and drippin slimy stuff on her face AND HER OPEN MOUTH an she just tryna be still an shit gitn real!".

It'd be a mess.
silverhythm 1 points 4y ago
Haha, that's hilarious to think about. But they don't just turn on a mic and describe the movie straight through. They develop a script, record the descriptive lines one by one in a studio, then mix that back into the movie's main audio with a few amplitude variants just so the narrator is never drowned out, usually during high action scenes.
JugglingWalnuts 1 points 4y ago
I can see. For me it goes like this:

Painting that looks like an incoherent mass of paint to me - Verbal description explains it's got deep references to another painter, part of a particular movement.

Painting that looks like something. It's pretty clear. I know what I'm looking at. - Verbal description ignores whatever is obviously in the picture, talks about more deep meaningful references, and claims to convey the painter's exact feelings about their neighbor at that moment. The neighbor isn't in the painting.

Keep in mind that I'm not an artist. But that's how it goes for me every time.
dyllpickled 2 points 4y ago
Now you're just making me think of my old English teachers who would assume blue curtains meant the protagonist was depressed and gloomy
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