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My AskReddit backfired, so I thought I'd reach out to this sub directly. (self.Blind)
submitted by Chew_Kok_Long
Hi,

I posted an r/AskReddit recently called "Blind people of Reddit, what is something you found out about the visible world that blew your mind?"

Here is the link: https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/a4mpl1/blind_people_of_reddit_what_is_something_you/

The post somewhat backfired, since a lot of users were not aware that blind people use Reddit and I kept getting cynical answers.

I am still interested in hearing your stories, since I think I can learn a lot from them. Maybe this is the right place.
fastfinge 46 points 4y ago
I often forget about glass. Like, large glass walls in buildings, windows, etc. I have to constantly remind myself to close the curtains in my bedroom before getting undressed, for example. It's just an odd concept: a perfectly soundproofed thing that light can still pass through. If I don't think carefully, I'm likely to think I have complete privacy when I really don't.
multi-instrumental 6 points 4y ago
> perfectly soundproofed thing that light can still pass through.

If only glass were immune to transferring sound... lol
Laser_Lens_4 4 points 4y ago
If it makes you feel better, most humans don't even consider that EM waves at different frequencies can pass through a bunch of other materials. Like, x-rays and gamma rays and radio waves and infrared light can all pass straight through most walls.

People using IR cameras can't see you through glass though, so that's nice.
Chew_Kok_Long [OP] 2 points 4y ago
Transparency is one of the things that I find interesting in this context. How do you imagine transparent objects?

And talking about windows, when you feel the warmth of the sunshine through a closed window, does that change how you experience the window?

I’m sorry if I sound ignorant, I really want to learn from you and how you experience the world.
fastfinge 4 points 4y ago
I guess I really don't think much about transparent objects. Like, I kind of think of them the same way I think about things that sound can pass through. But sound is muffled when it passes through a thin wall, whereas vision isn't degraded by a transparent object. So it's really not the same thing.

As for the sun, it feels the same way as a heater, or a really bright light, might. It doesn't feel in any way special/different because it's passing through a window, if that's what you mean.
brimstone_tea 33 points 4y ago
I didn't realize how superficial people are until I went blind.
They're mostly talking about things they see and judging others. I lost many friends because I cannot contribute to that "oh look that guy over there is so ugly" talk.
Also, I was never aware of how people stare at me shamelessly the whole time until my friends told me.
I know of blind people who didn't get the concept of a building until they were teenagers... Like if you walk up the stairs, the second floor is built right above the first floor and resembles its shape.
I have met a blind guy who didn't know you don't eat candles. He thought "oh they are on the dining table so they must be something to eat" because obviously the concept of decoration has never been explained to him.
I knew a guy who would during an exam put his whole super thick braille folder under his shirt and say he had to go to the toilet. The teacher had to break to him carefully that other people could see that and he was mortified.
multi-instrumental 16 points 4y ago
Candle guy was fucking with you or legitimately mentally handicapped.
brimstone_tea 10 points 4y ago
Sadly, I think it's because his parents did a shit job. They didn't even let him go outside fearing he would hurt himself. I know a few people who were treated like that. It's a very traumatic way of abusing your child.
multi-instrumental 3 points 4y ago
Yeah that makes sense.

It's hard to judge someone though when they're dealt a really bad hand.
Chew_Kok_Long [OP] 3 points 4y ago
I love the last story about the folder. It sounds like a comedy sketch. I find it curious how a person that age forgot how the teachers can absolutely see if there is something underneath the shirt. I mean, you would feel it easily too, right? He underestimated what vision can do :)

Edit: also your story about superficiality is interesting. I feel the same way since I don’t talk a lot and try not to judge people from their appearance. I also feel that people talk too much about things that don’t matter and one of them is them describing how others look.

It’s awesome that you gain a new perspective on things, you cherish the things that matter more. More than I could ever do since for you those conversations are even more absurd and redundant.
saharacanuck 26 points 4y ago
I’m partially sighted.
I didn’t realize people could see the craters of the moon with the naked eye until a year or two ago. I thought movies just over exaggerated it. I now use my monocular during a full moon to see the beautiful details.

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Wait really? I'm legally blind but have plenty of eyesight left and never knew this haha. That's wild. I just see a pretty white circle in the sky.
saharacanuck 11 points 4y ago
Lol glad I’m not the only one. I just see a splotch of light with a massive halo. Try a monocular, in an area without light pollution. It’s pretty awesome!
TacticalAvocado222 3 points 4y ago
I didn't know this either, you learn something new every day I guess.
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Chew_Kok_Long [OP] 1 points 4y ago
I never thought about that. Lying on the warm asphalt during a summer night and staring into the sky has been my favorite thing when I was young. Is the night sky and the stars at all interesting for you? I’ve never really looked at the moon though, I should really do that more often now that you say it
saharacanuck 3 points 4y ago
I live on a city with tons of light pollution so I can’t really enjoy a night sky on a regular basis. :-) I’d never thought of lying on the asphalt. I’m more partial to the grass :-)
Chew_Kok_Long [OP] 3 points 4y ago
I grew up in a small town. We would often after parties lie drunkenly on the country road during the summer. It feels awesome to have the warm asphalt under you and the cold nothingness of the universe above. Be sure that it’s a road no cars are likely to drive on ;)
Cleeth 19 points 4y ago
Sorry you had that experience on askreddit.

I am partially sighted so I don't think I can really answer your question. However I do appreciate your interest.

To answer as best as I can, I am profoundly short sighted (one aspect of having congenital cone dystrophy). Recently I got a strong pair of binoculars. I took them outside and watched the sun set. I don't see colour, but boy was that thing beautiful regardless. It was mind blowing knowing that sighted people get to see such a thing on the regular. Makes me wonder how many beautiful sights are out there that are largely taken for granted.
ilivetofly 7 points 4y ago
I hope that strong pair of binoculars had proper sun protection. Damage to eyes is a biggie especially when you hold a magnifying glass at your eyes and look into the sun.
Cleeth 3 points 4y ago
I am very careful. But thank you for your concern :) I would never risk my already dwindling eyesight haha
Chew_Kok_Long [OP] 5 points 4y ago
Part of why I am interested in your experience is how much I take for granted. There is so much beauty literally just before our eyes. A beautiful sunset is one of those things. When you say you don’t see the color, do you realize that the sky looks different? In a deep red sometimes?
Cleeth 1 points 4y ago
I am aware of the difference, but it looks un-amazing to me. And I won't notice it unless it is pointed out.
Laser_Lens_4 16 points 4y ago
I've noticed most sighted people are oblivious to our plight at best and openly hostile at worst. Like, hey how about Telegram? I've been downvoted before for bringing up the fact that it's incompatible with screen readers.

Anyway for me the thing that blew my mind was the fact that people with eyes could see people in other cars. I could see the cars and I could get a glimpse of the person inside on a very bright day if the windows weren't tinted, but sighted people would be all like "look at that asshole, she's driving and texting" or "Woah, what's that dude in the passenger seat doing?" and I was entirely dumbfounded at how they were doing that.
Cleeth 6 points 4y ago
I have this same experience. It's awful when you want to cross a road and a car is pulling to the crossing. I can't tell whether I should go or not and can't see the driver if they are giving any indication. I have to make my decision to go or not purely on the car.

Openly hostile is absolutely right. I have two problems. 1: I am meant to wear sunglasses at all times. My condition makes me have a hyper sensitivity to light, and as such, I'm meant to wear sunglasses where others wouldn't, such as indoors. But I have been met with a frequent enough occurrence of people calling me an asshole that I've ditched them entirely for years to avoid the experience. I know you're not supposed to care what others think, but having random people call you an asshole in a shopping centre is quite compelling.

Secondly, people assume your eyesight capability. I can say with full certainty "I cannot see this thing" and people will literally argue with me about what I should and should not be able to see. It's like, I'm looking at it... And I can't see it... I don't know why this happens. My guess is they see me wearing glasses, and believe the glasses correct my eyesight. When really it brings me upto ~33% of regular vision.

Tis' frustrating. Thanks for giving me somewhere to vent.
lightsrage85 5 points 4y ago
I was in the hospital and a nurse s told me that I could see because I found my way to the nurses station based on the brighter light with in she told me I wasn’t blind that I was faking it as part of my psychiatric condition I almost slapped her
Chew_Kok_Long [OP] 3 points 4y ago
Transparent, translucent, reflective and opaque things and how they differ in your understanding is most interesting for me. Do you realize that the glass you drink from is mostly transparent, but the shower glass is only translucent? And does this awareness change anything in how you think of the object?

There are different car windows, however. The front is always transparent by law. The side windows are sometimes tinted that make them either translucent or opaque so that people can’t look into the car. Sometimes, when the sun light hits a glass in the right angle, even a transparent glass can be reflective.

These are small things I don’t think about a lot, but for someone who does not see it must be incredibly weird to imagine.
Laser_Lens_4 4 points 4y ago
I've got a bit of sight so I understand glass. I just don't understand how people see past reflections and stuff and into other cars and are able to see the occupants clearly enough to see facial expressions and what they're doing.
Chew_Kok_Long [OP] 1 points 4y ago
I hope you never did something in a car that others saw and you were not aware of :)
Raf_AL 12 points 4y ago
I'm only visually impaired, so I can't give you a good answer either.

In my opinion many sighted people feel that colored lights isn't a thing you should have in your home. Save that for the clubs.

Why can't I enjoy having flashing neon lights in my house if I really want to? The three philips hue lights I currently have are my favorite grown up toy to play with. :)

Can't wait to get some more, when I have my own apartment.
ilivetofly 3 points 4y ago
Yo those Philip hue lights are the boss.

Generally coloured lights tend to not go well. They are either a preset colour that isn't always appropriate or they are a preset say table light that comes with this really awful remote with tiny buttons with colours on them and no way to use the light if the batteries die on the remote or it goes missing.

Philips hue have the ability to use your phone/voice, can adjust brightness of the colours, can easily a reliably mimic a normal lights range and the remote you do get with it has a little metal mount thing. Oh and it's just a fucking bulb instead of needing to buy this all in one lamp that doesn't match anything else and looks bizzare.

I am currantly looking into if I can implement their led strip thing :) they are the best and haven't broken on me yet.
Chew_Kok_Long [OP] 2 points 4y ago
So can you navigate through your house by following different colors? Or do you just enjoy to see different hues? I totally agree that colored lights can add a lot to your room. I would never go for red or green though :)
Raf_AL 4 points 4y ago
Well I can navigate in my house without any problem, so the lights are just for show.

I've downloaded an app to my phone, so that the lights flash in sync with the music I play. It will be awesome, when it's time to party in my own house some day.

I usually set them to purple during the evening, because I feel so relaxed with purple lights.
AaronXPercent 1 points 4y ago
What's the name of this app you speak of? Sounds so cool.
Raf_AL 1 points 4y ago
Well it's called Ilights show I think. with the free version u can connect one light, but I paid 5 euros to connect as many as I want.
singwhatyoucantsay 11 points 4y ago
I'm partly sighted, and it blows my mind that sighted people can read road signs. Like you just fly past this sign, and you can read it in half a second???
palezombies 6 points 4y ago
Omg for real!
Chew_Kok_Long [OP] 2 points 4y ago
Road signs have certain shapes and colors to increase recognizability. So it’s even less than half a second. Also think of the easiest traffic sign: traffic lights. At night you don’t even have to look at it directly. The green or red just sort of fills the surrounding with its color.

I never thought about it but in order to get around you have to touch or listen to anything on the street. Are there any specific road signs for the blind you can tell me about and I am most probably not even aware of?
crickettekeeper 11 points 4y ago
Well, the "sighted people being dicks" bucket is never empty. They rarely think about how to do things before asking. They can't SEE a solution, therefore one must not exist. This happens regularly, at the grocery store, at school, at work, etc. All day, every day, they stare and assume based upon what they see and don't bother asking questions because what they SEE must be it, right?

If I had a dollar for every time I had to explain how I use my smartphone, I could buy a better smart phone 😂

The different innovations that sighted people assume are available for the visually impaired is always fascinating! Someone told me they assumed my white cane was connected to my smart phone and would vibrate when I arrived at my destination.
Arinvar 9 points 4y ago
My wife is completely blind so I have a few examples from her.

* As mentioned by other transparency is a big one. No one really thinks about it too much so of course no one explained the concept to her.

* Clapping was a surprising one. No one really thinks about how you clap. You see others and you copy them. Her parents explaination of clapping was basically "slap your hands together". It makes for slightly painful and awkward looking applause.

* Farts. Slightly embarrassing but she'll lift a butt cheek to let out a fart and was completely certain that the slight movement would be unnoticeable. To everyone else its an exaggerated motion that you do when your joking or something.

* Lights. My wife was pretty surprised to discover that when the lights are off I can't see her facial expression. When I explained further how difficult it can be to move around and do stuff in the dark she made the comment that eyes are useless and was quite chuffed that she could do a lot more than me in the dark.

* Direction and Sight line. Specifically... I can't see something if I don't turn my head and look at it. Also a funny situation that resulted in the comment from me "Can you please move I can't see the TV".

* Opposite to what another person said, my wife was shocked when I told her that everyone can see ***in to*** the car.

And that's about all I can think of right now but I'm sure there are many more. There are just so many thing that sighted people just do, for lack of a better term, without thinking about it. And we learn it through observation. Even things as simple as how to walk and move in various ways. We don't think about it, we just see it and copy it. But if my wife wants to learn anything like that it has to be explained in detail and in various ways.

KillerLag 8 points 4y ago
For some of my younger clients, it is how far away sighted people can see. During one of my summer camps, I spotted a kid playing GTA on his Playstation Portable. As I started coming over to tell him to put it away, he ducked it under his shirt. When I told him to put it away and not play that game specifically (because of the killing hookers aspect of it with significantly younger kids around), he was shocked I Was able to identify the game at that distance (it was only about 50 feet).
SupermarketSweep 6 points 4y ago
I'm partially sighted with no color vision. It blew my mind when I found out jalapeños are green. I always assumed they were red.
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palezombies 5 points 4y ago
How far normal people can see lol
Chew_Kok_Long [OP] 4 points 4y ago
Can you at all imagine how it must be for an astronaut to stand on the moon looking back at earth?

Also when I think about it, you are right. There’s almost no limit to how far it goes as long as the light source is strong enough. Stars are millions of miles away and you can see them very well, yet not the specifics of it.

That brings me to another question: when we look at stars we only see them as they have been many light years ago, so we kind of look at a picture of them in the past. Does this compare with anything you experience?
giollaigh 3 points 4y ago
I have mild to moderate myopia - not even close to blind, I randomly stumbled across this thread - and even I am amazed by how far people with normal vision can see. Because my prescription is still worsening a bit every year, every time I go to the optometrist I am like... "I'm supposed to be able to read that tiny, tiny line at the bottom of the chart?!"
multi-instrumental 5 points 4y ago
If your post had been more popular you would've gotten a lot more helpful feedback.

A lot of the time it's things like opacity, reflections, translucent/transparency, etc.

Not blind just VI. It's also nearly impossible for a person that is completely blind to visualize what color looks like (from what I understand). Makes sense. I'm not sure how I would describe "red" other than, "it's red".
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gazpachocaliente 1 points 4y ago
I think there's another post similar to yours somewhere... Or maybe it was asking people with hearing impairments actually, you might still find it interesting though!
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