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Those born blind, what are your cognitive maps like? (self.Blind)
submitted by Unthinkster
Hi All,

Posting be/c I was born blind and wanted to compare my experiences with others. When learning your college campus for instance, do you use a verbal strategy or a spatial one? For instance, I might tell myself, "The music building is to the west of the art building. I am facing the art building. I am also facing south, so if I want to get to the music building, I know that west is right of south, so I need to turn right."

This is really how I mental map and it's exhausting. It's like a logic puzzle I have to solve, and it's all words and facts, I'm not actually picturing the buildings. I asked one person who is also blind and he said when thinking of compas directions he pictures a circle. I just... don't.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and Happy New Year!
clevername-here 8 points 4y ago
Edit: I was not born blind, i am VI. But I thought I’d share, I’m sorry that I’m not the intended audience of the post, i can remove this comment if need be!

I do something similar, but I have some vision, so I still use images, just *my* images rather than the true picture, if that makes sense. I have certain distinct features on people and places that act as identifying markers. A lot of it too is memorizing paths rather than places, so I can tell you how to get to another building based on my path, but not tell you what it looks like.

With people’s faces, my brain fills in gaps, so it’s strange how often I forget their “true” face until they get close to me, esp with professors.

Supermarkets and stuff are similar to campus- the Target near me recently completely remodeled and it fucked me up so much!!

I have never been able to keep track of overarching directions (like driving). I do notice landmarks that let me know I’m about to be where I’m headed, but that’s it.

Mental maps are absolutely exhausting to keep up with, so I only bother remembering “important” faces- the people on either side of me in class, my profs (if I like them), my friends, family, and the children I babysit (moreso than their parents). Places are easier because they so rarely change, but they’re still a huge pain in the ass.

Sighted people so rarely understand that these maps take so much thought and memory, and often when you would be focused on an activity or task, we would be torn between cross-referencing mental maps and the actual task/activity at hand. That’s why accommodations matter- they free up brain space that we shouldn’t have to lose to things like this, we should be using that space to do the same things our peers are.
Unthinkster [OP] 3 points 4y ago
Hi Clevername, (lol)

Thanks so much for responding.

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clevername-here 2 points 4y ago
I appreciate you putting out this post and sharing!! I don’t know many VI/blind ppl so it’s easy to feel like I’m the only one doing these things :P
modulus 2 points 4y ago
I do several things. As you say, at some level I use a sort of logic of go a distance until x happens then turn right, wait for y and then do such and such. I also try to have a sort of schematic view of it in my head, but it's not a real map at scale or anything, more of a sense of directions and angles of turning. Once I've done a route a lot, it becomes more of an instinctive thing though, and it's a matter of getting a feel for the distances involved.

I use all sorts of references though sometimes they change and its annoying: texture of the ground, type of walls, sounds, smells, etc.
Unthinkster [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Hi,

Thanks for your answer. I use a lot of sensory references too, as well as "verbal scripts" or instructions. What I don't do that you discussed is the sense of the angles. I just don't have that intuitive sense.

Can you clarify something for me? Say you're imagining the route from your house to any place in walking distance (insert whatever applies). If you were thinking about how to get there, would you imagine the shapes of the streets and how different buildings are related to each other, or is it more "Turn left here, turn right there."

Another thing I can't do for instance is integrate routes. At my school I was taught to walk from the student center to the library. I was also taught to walk from the student center to my classroom buildings (academic complex). This does not automatically teach me how to get from the library to the academic buildings; I would have to go back to the student center first and then go from there to the classes, unless it's literally along the same linear route or an O&M instructor explicitly teaches me a new route. What's your comment on that?

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modulus 2 points 4y ago
> Say you're imagining the route from your house to any place in walking distance (insert whatever applies). If you were thinking about how to get there, would you imagine the shapes of the streets and how different buildings are related to each other, or is it more "Turn left here, turn right there."

It's somewhere in the middle. It's not like a map at scale with the detail and the distances, but there are definitely directions and angles involved in the way I think about it. Like say I get out of the door, turn 90 left, walk for a while, cross a road, further, then turn 90 right, walk for a while and then turn 90 left. I will have this sort of notion of a line to the left, cut by the road, further line to the left, and a 90 degree angle of it, but the distances in my mind won't be anywhere accurate.

> Another thing I can't do for instance is integrate routes.

For me this depends. If the routes have enough in common or if I know the areas in between etc I can integrate them at some point, but sometimes yes sometimes no. Depends on the amount of stuff there is that isn't shared between the routes.
Unthinkster [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Sorry just one more question. Were you born with no vision at all, or some vision?
modulus 2 points 4y ago
No vision, or rather, possibly had some vision when I was a tiny, tiny child, but I don't remember ever seeing anything.
Unthinkster [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Hi Modulus,

Thanks; your answers have been very helpful.
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