Hi there, I had heard a saying a while ago and I wanted to know if you guys thought it was true. "The Blind see in Time, while those with Sight see in Space". It referred to how those without sight would need to wait for auditory cues to see the world around them. The sighted are allowed to live directly in the present because light is fast enough that it can create a continual image so they don't need to pause and listen to understand the world around them.
Do you think this is true and do you think being blind has given you a better understanding of time?
retrolental_morose3 points4y ago
Biologically, you don't see a discrete, continuous image. The brain interprets so much from what is actually a blink-ridden, up-side-down picture that I don't think this theory holds much water.
That said, school we did a time-measuring activity once where we count off a minute and have a friend see how accurate we were. I was always within 2 seconds of the 60, toward the upper end of my class. But I was the only blind one there, making proper statistical analysis difficult.
It is true that we have to react to auditory rather than visual signs. When watching comedy, I often find some amusement in things like slapstic but only if it's explained, never in realtime. By far I prefer wordplay or spoken comedy.
I do find focus and attention interesting. A sighted person can receive an email - say an invoice - and announce the balance due within half a second. as a braille reader, it's very hard to process in a way other than linear.
7563able [OP]1 points4y ago
I'm aware of the processing time your brain takes to understand an image. I just thought it was negligible in this scenario, the latency you get is low enough that it really doesn't matter, mostly due to the speed at which light travels.
Also I was thinking about the way a sighted person can use their eyes to actively see things, whereas a blind person must wait to hear. You can get closer to a sound, but you can't look around and actively absorb information the same way a sighted person can.
quanin1 points4y ago
Sure we can. We just don't necessarily absorb it with our eyes. The thing you're missing is we can pick up on queues that you, being a primarily vision-oriented person, will either let fall into the background or not process at all. I've heard it described as we have better/more acute hearing than you do, which is IMO a myth--we're just forced to pay more attention to it. For example, listening to my own footsteps I can usually tell how close I am to a wall, or if I'm passing into a more open area--things you're not as likely to take note of, on the not entirely unreasonable grounds that you can see it coming.
To use the logic in your OP for a minute, it's like you can see a few minutes into the future, where you will be if you continue doing exactly what you're doing. We see the present--here is where I am, right now.
ENTJ3511 points4y ago
Not true. There are blind people who are very good with the here and now. Auditory and sensorytype of clues are right there too. It’s just a different way to see. Blind people are not extra slow. Some people are because of thought process and not blindness. It depends how much I am strategizing and analyzing in a sense. But at my impulsive moments oh goodness I can probably out perform a sited person easily. I can be very keen to my surroundings. Blind people are not predictors either. I mean some of us are better at seeing future circumstances than others like any other humans, but not as a whole, no.
itisisidneyfeldman1 points4y ago
Is this a real saying? I've never heard it.
Blind people do have spatial perception, and a blind person doesn't have to wait to hear. They can move around to note ambient sound changes, sense the immediate environment haptically with canes and feet and hands, and make sounds (the most striking example being Daniel Kish-style tongue click echolocation) to sample more distant features.
In an auditorily rich environment, the difference between light and sound speeds is not that biologically significant. Something visible 100 meters away will not have gone far in the 300 ms it takes the sound to reach you. There are some exceptions, e.g. traffic crossings, where it's harder to parse out traffic noise without the benefit of vision.
One could try real hard to make this saying apply by saying that auditory information is inherently temporal (a stream of pressure waves impacting the eardrum) and visual information is inherently spatial (photons refracted to distribute an image across the retina). But both vision and audition carry spatial and temporal information. Some spatial auditory acuity is higher in blind folks than sighted; some is deficient. Blind people can get very good at perceiving ultrafast speech (≥16 syllables/second) so that would be a faster perception of information, sort of the opposite of "waiting to hear."
Side note, I also find the saying fails on its face. If a blind person doesn't have as much time-resolved information, then how could they possibly be the ones to "see in time"? And how would it follow that a sighted person is excluded from seeing in time and restricted to seeing in space? To me the saying wants to feel profound but, once you think about it for another few seconds, falls apart into superficial shreds at every level.
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