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Are there any sighted people here who have learned braille? (self.Blind)
submitted by TylerD958
Just interested in knowing as I'm currently learning sign language and have also looked into deafblind manual. Braille has also caught my interest.

I'd also be interested to know how many blind people don't actually know braille, as in my country there are a significant amount of deaf people who have never learned sign language. I was wondering if there were comparable numbers, and if so, why?
dmazzoni 9 points 4y ago
Sure, I learned Braille because I work on assistive technology. There's no comparison in difficulty - ASL and other sign language variants are completely unique languages with their own vocabulary, syntax, and grammar. Braille is just a way to write letters.

Learn 26 letters and 5 symbols and you can write "grade 1" Braille messages. Learn a few dozen "grade 2" contractions and you can read 99% of Braille signs.

Of course, learning to feel Braille with your fingers takes more time, but it's just practice. As a sighted person you can read by seeing the dots if you want to.

A lot of people who lose their sight later in life never learn Braille, but studies find that learning Braille is highly correlated with blind people finding employment and a successful career.
KillerLag 2 points 4y ago
Definitely this. The vast majority of people who lose their vision are older in life, and very few express interest in learning braille.

If you learn the structure of how the braille letters are built (first 10, then second 10, etc), you can learn the basic braille letters in an hour if you are keen.
VSSK 7 points 4y ago
"Fewer than 10 percent of the 1.3 million people who are legally blind in the United States are Braille readers. Further, a mere 10 percent of blind children are learning it. "

From this report:
https://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/pdf/braille_literacy_report_web.pdf
morallyequivocal 7 points 4y ago
Sighted here.

I learnt braille because I write a lot of letters and one of my keen interests is cryptography.

I send out letters to penpals in obscure formats (occasionally coded braille) and receive them too.

I can only read grade I with my fingers, if I'm reading II then I'll look at the page.

So yeah, I learnt braille for shits and giggles and it has not come in handy once yet.
AerosolHubris 2 points 4y ago
I'm also sighted. I want to learn because (a) I want an excuse to play around with assistive tech because it's so cool, and (b) I'd like to one day be able to read on the bus without getting carsick or listening to an audiobook.
oncenightvaler 2 points 4y ago
am blind I read on the bus frequently, I got a whole 90 print page novel in Braille read on a bus trip on the way home from university.
AerosolHubris 1 points 4y ago
I'd love to eventually get some sort of refreshable Braille display to read digital stuff, but I suppose I should learn the alphabet first.
JackEsq 5 points 4y ago
I am a sighted parent currently learning braille. I have already learned grade 1 braille, but am very slow at reading it. I will learn grade 2 braille next.

My visually impaired daughter is 4 and is learning to read braille and print. We believe braille literacy will be important for her success in the future and I figured the best way support and help her would be to learn braille myself.
oncenightvaler 1 points 4y ago
My mom and dad learned alphabet Braille, going the extra mile and learning contractions is great. I bet today that my mom would know a lot more Braille on sight than my dad would.
blindnessandbees 3 points 4y ago
I’m legally blind and learning braille atm because my retina is dying at an alarming rate. I have a braille teacher but honestly you could most likely do it yourself if it’s just for fun and not an actual thing you’ll need to use. I generally think that’s a good thing to keep in mind. Lesrning Braille isn’t just a cool party trick, for some people it’s a really hard sad truth.
Stick81 2 points 4y ago
I learned grade 1 shortly after my diagnosis as well, I was still driving at the time. I practiced by making little notes for myself and using a Braille labeller around the house. I didn't make a great effort to learn Grade 2 until years later, and make much more headway when I attended my state agency's rehab center, where I got daily lessons with an experienced teacher.

I now joke that I can read with both hands when people humble brag about being ambidextrous.
CloudyBeep 1 points 4y ago
"it's a really hard sad truth"

I don't think it's something to be ashamed of. Braille is liberating because it opens you to new opportunities and removes one of the largest limitations of blindness.
bscross32 1 points 4y ago
Agreed, I'm not proficient in braille. I can read it, but never was able to read it fast, even when I did it every single day, but yes.
blindnessandbees 1 points 4y ago
Very true! But it still sucks when you’re going blind and you have to start learning.
CloudyBeep 2 points 4y ago
I agree. You could have short- and long-term goals. For example, you could say that you want to be able to label things in your home with braille by the end of next month, or by the end of the year, you want to be able to read a book in uncotracted braille at 50 WPM. Making goals will give you milestones for things you can look forward to achieving.
BrailleNomad 1 points 4y ago
Hello! I am sighted and know braille because I am a teacher of the visually impaired (TVI). People who are sighted generally read braille by sight, rather than by touch - a huge misconception is that those of us with sight read tactually, but by and large we do not. And that actually goes into another one of your questions. Adults who lose their vision have a harder time reading braille because finger sensitivity is kind of a learned thing. Our brains are plastic, but they are the most plastic when we’re little- so our capacity to do something like play an instrument, learn a language, or discriminate braille is going to be the best when we’re young. An adult who is learning braille can do it...eventually. Someone sighted? Virtually impossible. So if we look at the causes of blindness, a lot of that is acquired blindness- diabetic retinopathy, macular degeneration, age-related glaucoma, etc- and that explains why many adults don’t know braille.


As far as why many kids aren’t learning braille, it’s a couple of reasons. Braille isn’t the right communication medium for a lot of visually impaired kids. Some do well with large print or magnified print and some have severe disabilities. The biggest thing is that we have had a huge increase over the last 20 years or so of kids being born with cortical visual impairment. It has become the leading cause of visual impairment in children. Kids with CVI tend to have complex impairments and generally are pre-literate or non-verbal. So braille is not a good fit for them. We definitely teach it whenever we can, don’t get me wrong. But there are a lot of factors at play. I think it is so important for our students to leave school with at least a basic knowledge of braille whenever it is appropriate, because it will help them so much in traveling and doing lots of basic everyday tasks, especially if there is a question about the stability of their vision moving forward.
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ABookishSort 1 points 4y ago
I’m a Braille transcriber for a local school district and I can read Braille by sight but not by touch. Learned it on the job.
bscross32 1 points 4y ago
TVI's have to know braille. They read it visually rather than tactilly though.
oncenightvaler 1 points 4y ago
I am sure the proportion of blind people who do not know Braille is significantly large, as only totally blind people would want to learn it. I could not live without Braille, and would be happy to be a Braille tutor, if ever given the opportunity.

I had a friend who had gotten gradually more blind as he went through elementary and secondary school met him at university. He and I had frequent arguments with him saying that because of screen reading programs and the prevalence of electronic books that Braille would be obsolete in our lifetime, and I was a traditionalist and said that Braille would be around as long as print was being published.
Stick81 1 points 4y ago
I use NVDA primarily, but if I'm working on something more detail oriented, or with harder pronunciations, I will use my display. I have a Brailliant 32. Screen readers are great, but I don't think Braille will truly ever be obsolete, since it's much handier to use a Braille slate to make quick notes or label things around the house than to use audio tags or my voice recorder all the time. I also prefer taking notes this way, since I'm usually trying not to broadcast whatever I'm working on. One of my old jobs required a good deal of data security, so a quick note was much safer than trying to speak it aloud. I would shorthand a quick note in Braille, then destroy it after I had typed it into an encrypted device.
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