People who have been blind since birth, how did you combat the urge to rock back and forth?(self.Blind)
submitted by RJHand
I'm 18 and will be heading off to college in September. All these years i've rocked back and forth. I can't stop. I even tried hypnoses. It kind of worked, for a few days, but then I went right back at it. I know its weird and out of place, but I can't seem to stop. Any advice? I'd really like to stop before I hit college. I should have stopped in high school, but no luck. Any help would be appreciated.
intrepidia14 points4y ago
Ha. A friend I knew long ago would rock. I invented a game called "head tennis" where I would hold both my hands out near the forehead and back of the head.
It worked.
Littlemissmee13 points4y ago
Not Blind, but mother of blind child. My child presses his eyes, no rocking. I have no advice, we have tried everything under the sun. I however made a comment to follow this thread. We need advice on stopping his eye pressing as well.
I wish you the best of luck in school!
laconicflow13 points4y ago
I'm blind since birth. I did stop the rocking but not the eye pressing. But I don't do it in public, or at least I don't catch myself doing it. I think some of this comes with age.
It sounds funny, but when you say to your blind kid, "Hey, you look like a dumbass when you rock," that's almost academic. Like, I get it but don't really believe it because I'm not looking people doing their own stupid awkward things. I think when a kid gets old enough that conforming in small ways is important for success, they get motivated to stop.
One thought on the eye pressing. Normally I wear sunglasses and I don't ever do it when I'm wearing them, don't know why.
Littlemissmee5 points4y ago
If you don't mind me asking... What do you get out of the eye pressing? My son is 11 almost 12. He really wants so stop because the kids at school nagg him for it. He presses so often and sometimes so hard he leaves bruises on his face. He can't put into words what motivates him to continue doing it.
I have purchased countless pairs of glasses or sunglasses to protect his eyes and remind him not to press, he just slips his fingers under the frames and presses anyway.
noeinan5 points4y ago
Hey, so I'm not blind but I am autistic and we have high rates of both rocking, eye pressing, and head/face hitting.
Rocking is often a thing for vestibular understimulation. It's the sense of your body that tells you where you are in space and where your body parts are, balance, and movement.
https://theinspiredtreehouse.com/vestibular/
Like, if we're understimulated, doing these things (called stims) helps relieve stress.
I'm guessing that in blind folks, there's a similar sensory thing going on that makes these movements relieve stress.
Autistics are generally in favor of allowing stims, because they provide a lot! But it's also understandable if folks want to reduce it because of camoflaging and safety.
Littlemissmee2 points4y ago
Thank you so much for this insight, I have thought at times it could be due to lack of visual stimulus to that part of his brain. Not sure how correct I am, just a guess.
laconicflow5 points4y ago
I dunno. Sometimes I think its a stress thing, but most of the time I think its just a default if I start thinking deeply about something. My mind wanders and my hands in my eye. In my early teens I trained myself to stop doing it in public.
I don't have any suggestion for a technique for how to stop. But my suggestion is to get a male member of the family or a friend that's a few years older to talk to your kid about it.
Thing is, not being able to see, you can tell me something looks weird, I can hear it twenty, fifty times, but I'm not really understanding the potencial for how bad it can look.
I used to rock, in public, and I didn't stop that until I was like 13 or 14. Not to be crass here, but at some point I realized I'd never get laid, rocking in front of women and that's what made me stop. To me it just felt natural. People told me it looked weird, but it was never made clear to me that it wasn't, like slightly weird but super weird as in only really autistic people do that. So the earlier your kid knows its highly socially inappropriate the earlier he'll stop especially when the rewards for stopping are social.
Maybe bigger glasses if that won't look goofy? Thinking back on it I think I just had to remind myself "You're in public, stop!" over and over again until finally it just became automatic.
The other thought is to replace one habit with another. Maybe he could get used to tapping his foot instead.
Best of luck!
hopesthoughts1 points4y ago
When my mind wanders, my hands usually end up at my chin. Sometimes my fingers will be over my eye covering my forehead, but I've never pressed my eyes out of habit. I usually only do this when I have an extremely bad headache that hurts behind my eyes.
Littlemissmee1 points4y ago
Thank you so much! Haha, I had the same when it comes to the physical aspect of a relationship, at some point he is going to care enough to find a need to stop. He is quite the social butterfly and only this year has his social game been mucked up by his behaviors.
oncenightvaler2 points4y ago
my parents would cough and say no eye pressing. and that has helped some.
Did you try maybe getting your kid a fidget spinner, or fidget cube or similar for them to play with instead of pressing their eyes.
I would often press my eyes whenever I am trying to concentrate really hard on something, you could jolt your kid out of it by asking them what they are thinking about.
TLDR: I don't know, just trying to compare to my own bad habit.
Littlemissmee1 points4y ago
I appreciate it, he happens to have a collection of fidgeting toys, spinners, cubes, so on and such.
We have tried code words, distractions, reward systems, ignoring it.
oncenightvaler2 points4y ago
I am sorry I was not more helpful, hope you can solve it for him, wish I had curbed this habit sooner still have trouble with it.
Littlemissmee1 points4y ago
You were quite helpful! I appreciate your input very much! I hope we can too, but if not, it's not the worst habit in the world 😉
bmmcginty1 points4y ago
I'm not the best person to offer advice on this, as I still press on my eyes (or "poke" in our parlance) more than I'd like. However, I attended an NFB training center in Colorado that used sleep shades. They used thick opaque plastic that entirely covered the eyes and a bit of the face, and velcroed behind the head. That cut down on the pressing significantly. If your son really wishes to stop, the sleep shades might be helpful. The time it took to get to the eyes (when the shades were fit tightly) gave my brain enough time to stop the unconscious action. I will say that I've only ever found that one specific type of sleep shade to help with this. $1 Edit: proper link format.
Littlemissmee1 points4y ago
This is wonderful advice, I greatly appreciate it. He is at a Bell camp as we speak! I will talk with the director when I go pick him up about this very thing.
Does the eye poking provide you stimulation? I feel like this is the case with my child and that is why it is so hard for him to stop the act.
bmmcginty1 points4y ago
I must have seen little lights or something at some point, but once I was able to comprehend that poking was an issue, I never noticed anything in particular. I think it's kind of a combination of muscle memory and subconscious stimulation.
I just read up on the BELL camps; good to hear you're son is going. It's great that you're supporting his independence as well.
laconicflow12 points4y ago
by reminding myself every day that it drasticly lowered the odds of having sex.
AchooCashew10 points4y ago
It's okay to rock. As long as you aren't harming yourself or others, I think stimming is a helpful behavior.
Arinvar6 points4y ago
My wife is 30 and she still does it, but only when there's nothing else going on. Sitting quietly or watching tv/movies. If she's talking to someone other than me (I guess with me she's just much more relaxed) or concentrating on doing something it doesn't happen so it's not really an issue for her. I think her parents tried to stop it when she was younger but gave up.
CloudyBeep4 points4y ago
No, it's not OK to engage in blindisms. They are socially unacceptable and nothing comes of them. Unlike stimming which people with autistic people engage in as a calming mechanism, blindisms like rocking have no physiological or psychological benefit, hence they are pointless and the goal should be to eradicate them, not normalise them.
modulus1 points4y ago
It's perfectly ok to do it. It doesn't cause any harm to anyone.
Whether they give us similar psychological or physiological benefits autists get is unknown, but more to the point, irrelevant. Even if there were no benefit to the behaviour, there is also no problem with it.
Conforming to arbitrary social norms is pointless, and the role should be to eradicate them.
CloudyBeep1 points4y ago
I strongly disagree. Some blindisms like eye-pressing are extremely off-putting. If a blind job-seeker were rocking and pressing their eyes in a job interview, I think it is extremely unlikely that they would be hired, especially if they were in a customer-facing position; I similarly think that many people would not want to have a long-term relationship with a blind person who constantly engaged in multiple blindisms, not because of their concern about how they would be perceived by their own family and friends, but because people are generally not attracted to others who do not conform to their expectations of etiquette. I would be surprised if you can find me one source from a spokesperson who works with the blind (either sighted or blind) who takes your stance—that blindisms do not need to be eradicated.
To imply that blindisms should be accepted as social norms implies that you consider blind people belong to a fundamentally distinct group. I disagree. Everyone belongs to an ethnic group, a religious group, a gender group, etc. People do not identify themselves as "non-blind". Because of this, I believe that blind people, although a distinct community, cannot have social norms as we are not part of a group that parallels with others, unlike Christian/Muslim/Hindu or American/Chinese/Belgian. Blind people simply integrate into the societies of where they reside, and therefore must adhere to the social norms of these societies.
I think that this is an interesting discussion that needs to be had. In this time of increasing acceptance of diversity, is it time to allow blindisms without stigma? I think not. To make a parallel, Western societies are increasingly accepting of LGBT+ people, but these people are still considered able to work; blind people still face significant discrimination in employment.
I would be interested to hear your and others' thoughts.
modulus1 points4y ago
Where to begin?
First off, I think characterising these behaviours as blindisms is faulty to start with, since there are individuals who are not blind and engage in them too. Autists are one example. The reason I raise this, is that there's often a double standard imposed on disabled people, where compensatory behaviours that others engage in with no problem, are regarded as signs of inadequacy. If a sighted person can't drive and doesn't like walking a lot, it's just the way they are; if a blind person does it it's the end of the world, etc.
A behaviour being off-putting is a value judgement. There's no particular objective reason why rocking is off-putting but tugging on one's beard, or braid, or drumming one's nails on a desk, is not. The position that purely aesthetic judgements should impinge on people's own bodily autonomy is a very bad starting point. Similar stances over things like tattoos, piercings, unusual hair dyes, were common, and are fortunately being dissolved, without these people having to belong to specific designated groups or have a separate culture of their own. Likewise, social impositions, often on women, like shaving one's legs, or wearing high heels, are slowly being seen for what they are: aesthetic preferences without normative force.
A blind job-seeker is going to have all kinds of obstacles. If, however, any other consideration than they being able to perform the job is used to discriminate against them, we should push back, not say that it is their fault and society should determine that an aesthetic preference overrides someone's right to employment. Likewise, a blind person who has unusual eyes shouldn't be forced to cover them up.
> To imply that blindisms should be accepted as social norms implies that you consider blind people belong to a fundamentally distinct group.
It doesn't. People with blue hair don't constitute a distinct group, and I don't think they should be barred from employment either. Same for people with deep scarring on their faces, or who are unusually shaped and do not conform to aesthetic norms.
That said, there's merit in saying blind people constitute a somewhat separate group within society. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this conversation, since there wouldn't be common behaviours to speak of and the word blindisms wouldn't occur to anyone.
That people do not identify as non-blind doesn't mean much. People do not identify as cis, either; it's trans people who brought this identification into the foreground.
Finally, I'm against stigmatising any behaviour that doesn't cause harm to individuals or to society. When you say, should people rock without stigma, to me the immediate answer is, tell me what harm rocking causes, and then we can see why it should be stigmatised. Just like people shouldn't be stigmatised for having blue hair or a tattoo on their body. The comparison with queer people is interesting, in that many behaviours that people consider characteristically queer were long stigmatised, without having any impact on job performance or anything else, and this is fortunately slowly disappearing, not through queer people adapting to aesthetic arbitrary standards, but through people realising it doesn't matter and is not their business. That blind people are often considered to have problems working is true, but rocking is immaterial to that, just as women not having been regarded as able to do a man's job has nothing to do with them having breasts.
aaronespinozaca1 points4y ago
It's not okay to rock. Your hurting your self in social situations. Nobody is going to tell a blind person anything because your blind. They are just going to think to themselves poor blind person doesn't know how to act but what do you expect their blind of course this is how they act their blind. They don't know any better give them a break.
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I've been blind since a young age, and my parents bought me a rocking chair to rock in. If they saw me rocking, they would tell me to go rock in that chair. After a while, I learned how to control the rocking.
Now that I am thirty, I have a recliner that rocks. I can rock in that chair at home, and I don't do it in public. I don't know how to stop someone who is in high school from doing it. You could try redirecting it, or you could pick up a rocking chair and teach yourself when to rock.
HDMILex8 points4y ago
Oh God, I still rock back and forth sometimes. I just have to consciously remind myself that it's socially unacceptable and looks weird. I don't really care when I'm alone though.
That link has information about the causes of this behavior.
The best thing to do is note when you are rocking, stop yourself, and use a replacement behavior stick as shaking your foot, twiddling your thumbs, focused breathing, etc.
Good luck, breaking habits is hard, especially habits which are completely contained within your body. The truth is, you can do this. And it will feel amazing when you do.
BlinkinTrecker3 points4y ago
Blind from birth. Seems to me that just as sighted people look out the window or channel surf, sometimes that extra input is needed. To me, it's a comfort. So, how'd I stop it? I didn't, I just make sure I don't do it abnormally. IE rocking chairs exist to enable people to rock. I have 3 rocking chairs in my house, one in each room, and another on my porch. At work, my desk chair can lean back a little, but I keep it toned down. As has been said, social acceptance is an important aspect to consider, but there are ways to adapt sometimes. Eye pressing, not so much, rocking though, ... Some people have cases of beer in their fridge, some have hundreds of games, I have rocking chairs. If we could really see what our friends are like, we'd find they're just as crazy as we are, thankfully.
Just a little note, if you're gonna rock in a desk chair, keep WD40 on hand, you'll need it.
hopesthoughts1 points4y ago
Lol also if you're going to do a big plop into a desk chair, you might eventually end up needing WD40. It's still fun. Also if you're going to wildy spin your niece in it, it probably will need some after a while. Needless to say I rock in the chair, but it takes extra abuse lol. I also use the desk for a footrest so I tip the chair back and rest my feet on the desk.
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RJHand [OP]1 points4y ago
What are some of them, do you know of any?
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jrs123 points4y ago
It's just like breaking any other bad habit. Rocking itself isn't bad, so like other people are saying, maybe set parameters for yourself for when it's appropriate. Then be open with friends about your goal to stop and ask them to remind you about your goal when you are rocking. It can be a blunt call out of your behavior or it could be a subtle reminder like a hand on your back. The behavior I'm trying to stop is rubbing my hair across my lips when bored. I know it's not okay, but I really struggle to stop.
Nandflash3 points4y ago
You've waited a long time to address it, so I imagine it's going to be a lot more difficult now that you've been doing it for so long.
I spoke to a few teachers a few years ago who had students that had similar behaviors, and that's usually something they address at a young age so it doesn't carry on. They often taught the student to redirect their energy into something else.
One thing you could try is to ask people to point it out to you when they see you doing it. If they point it out to you, you may become more aware of how often you do it and that may help you to recognize and get control of it quicker.
SPN-hunter2 points4y ago
I don’t rock but I can’t really stay still. I have to walk around or pace or shift my weight onto one foot and then the other. I have no idea really why I do this. I have been visually impaired since birth.
FeelingCeiling2 points4y ago
I used to rock all the time when I was a small child. I'm 18 now and I still rock, but only in private. It's slowly but surely dying out. Old habits die hard. I'll probably be in my 30s by the time all my habits are gone.
BlueRock9562 points4y ago
Most people that rock don’t even notice that they are doing it. So I recommend you think and determine two things: 1. What do you feel when rocking? 2. Why are you rocking? I’ve met people that feel comfort when rocking, and others that rock because they feel boredom and they want to be active. Once you find out, pay attention to your body and when it starts rocking, stand against a wall. I have a friend who does this, because if he is waiting for someone in the middle of the hall he starts rocking back and forth. He informs me that having his back against the wall helps him steady himself. It took him a while to independently realize that he was rocking, but his family and friends helped him by tapping him on the shoulder to signal “Hey, you are rocking.” (They did not say anything, as they agreed that the shoulder tapping would be a discrete signal.)
BlueRock9562 points4y ago
Hi, for parents who are talking about children putting pressure in their eyes, I recommend you take the children to the eye doctor. It all depends on the diagnosis, but some conditions may cause the eye pressure to increase. It could also be that the eyes are dry or uncomfortable because of x reason. Glasses could help, but I’ve seen some glasses that have more of a goggle model style that work for some children I’ve met.
BlindFrankenstein2 points4y ago
My parents broke me out of that particular habit at a very young age. I remember it being tricky to stop doing it but it’s been 30 years now.
bscross322 points4y ago
Since I have some vision, I never did the eye pressing, but I did do the rocking. I do not do it in public anymore, and pretty much not at home either, sometimes though I'll catch myself doing it and will stop myself.
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The eye pressing intrigues me, I don't get it. Maybe it's the brain craving for that missing input. I imagine if you go unplug the cable from the TV, at first it shows no signal like always, but then it becomes more insistent. It starts throwing these gaudy pastel colors, the letters start jittering on the screen, then the whole box around the center starts expanding and the letters start floating around, rearranging, the boarder around the box transforms into an animation of marching ants, then the sounds start, random hisses, crackles, pops and bursts of static, and then beeps, solid tones etc. Maybe your brain craves that input so bad that it makes you jam your fingers in your eyes to try to force it somehow.
oncenightvaler1 points4y ago
I did eye pressing but never did much rocking. I fidget like everyone and shift positions often but don't find myself rocking back and forth I can sit and lay still.
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MyNutsSmellAmazing0 points4y ago
Rocking back-and-forth has worked rather well for Stevie Wonder, but YMMV. I don’t see how this behavior is any more troubling than say tapping one’s feet, or snapping your fingers, or any other stimming behavior, but then again I’m not the one who made up the rules on what is socially acceptable, and what is not.
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