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Anybody Else Hit With Macular Degeneration in their 30’s? (self.Blind)
submitted by LeakyBuffer
I just got told by an eye doctor 2 weeks ago that I tested in the bad spectrum for MD and that I would basically be legally blind in 10 years, more or less.

I’m 37 and haven’t noticed any visible issues beyond maybe light sensitivity to some degree but just figured getting older as I’ve had a lot of floaters forever so bright lights always let me see them everywhere so that’s what ‘bugs’ me and I like to wear shades or use dark mode to hide the floaters in each eye. Most symptom thing with brightness I would say is bright light shadows that fade for bright things you see but that to me has more less seemed normal than abnormal. Pretty upset as this was something I never heard of. I’m a type 2 diabetic and was always worried about rhinopny but this came out of nowhere. All my eye checks up my veins have been fine with no signs of issues so this left me stunned after I heard legally blind in 10 years. And I’m adamant about checking my veins for rhinopny on eye checkups.

Lost and scared, as all I can think of is losing my career and not being able to see my kids grow up. But for now all I can do is take the vitamin they recommended and exercise and get in shape to see if any of that helps.

The doc didn’t mention wet so I assume dry. I had taken an eye test looking into a machine that they came back and said I failed pretty bad for MD. I did the optional exam as I didn’t want to get my eyes dilated and instead scanned so these tests that I did I don’t ever remember doing. I was given a couple years ago at a previous check up that grid test but that was fine (and still is) but the one I failed I think was seeing a blue circle jiggle or clicking the times I saw it jiggle which I did see it jiggle but it was a weird test.

The grid test looks fine for me no blurry lines and I don’t have any fixed grey/dark spots or missing areas, but still pretty devastated as I know what’s coming. All I can do is try to fight it for now and see where this goes but this is terrible to go thru. I do have a ton of floaters so I do see dark spots but those are clearly floaters as they move in my eye fluid as I can ‘play’ with them.

Working on getting to a specialist and just got doctor referral today so I need to get a good look from an MD, but I’m just a mix of super upset and trying to work hard to get my health in order diabetic wise (6.9 a1c last time so still got work to do and like 80 lbs to lose total end goal).

I just pray this progresses slowly and well beyond 10 years... if I could make it 30 years with some vision I could still use to work and function I would be the happiest guy on earth... here’s to hoping...

Anybody else get this type of diagnosis in your 30’s and experiences? Heard of it taking greater than 10 years?

Sorry for the wall of text it’s just there not many to talk to and I need to put on a brave front for my family and children so they don’t worry or get brought down by this as well. All my research talks about people in their 60’s+, I’d be ecstatic to make it that far with my vision as is.

Lastly I just read about the study of people taking high doses of cholesterol meds (80mg) and in some cases having total stoppage of the MD disease... any thoughts on that or talks with your own specialists?

No family history of it in either of my parents sides.
SpikeTheCookie 3 points 4y ago
Hi /u/leakyBuffer, you have joined a very elite club with lots of friendly people. :-) And we get it.

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First, yes, absolutely get to a specialist. And by specialist, I mean someone specializing in degenerative and genetic eye diseases, preferably associated with a teaching hospital and with cutting edge research.

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Here's why. A LOT of retinal specialists have zero experience with the rarer diseases or odd presentations of diseases... and they are incorrect with their information.

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For example, I went to a retinal specialist (best in the city) and after a long exam, they couldn't really say if I had Retinitis Pigmentosa or not, but if I did I'd never go blind, because I was older (in my 30's).

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Then I went to an RP specialist in another city, someone who in a leader in genetic research. In 2 seconds, he looked at my eyes, verified it was RP, and of course, gave me the correct information. RP is a degenerative disease. It gets worse. I've been legally blind for 5 years now.

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It's quite unusual to be diagnosed with MD... with no real symptoms of it. Also, the test you took... if it was the perimeter machine with the lights that flash, and you click every time you see a light (Visual field test), they are typically calibrated to check only the center 30 degrees of vision.

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So, if you have a deficiency, all they checked was the center (macular), and a bit of peripheral, which is great if all you're looking for is MD. ;-)

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So, Make sure to ask your second opinion specialist for the Goldmann perimeter, which measures 160 degrees horizontally and 120 degrees vertically. (Or, ask for a Humphery Field Analyzer that's capable of measuring the full field like this.)

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Right now, you're just in the process of gathering data and seeing if the doctor you went to was accurate.

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If it turns out you do have MD, ask the MD specialist for information about the specific presentation you have, as well as insight into the most promising research being conducted right now for MD.

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MD is one of the most researched diseases on the planet. There is good scientific reason to be confident of medical solutions appearing over the next 10 years. It's pretty easy to stay abreast of the current trials and research on the internet, if you happen to be a research junkie. :-D

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Here's an article you might enjoy about the latest research: $1

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(And be very careful about jumping onto something like high dose of cholesterol meds without solid research findings, and you'll want to coordinate that with you endocrinologist, obviously.)

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TLDR: Until you have a second opinion by and Macular Degeneration and genetic eye disease specialist ,your job is to not panic. ;-)
LeakyBuffer [OP] 2 points 4y ago
Thanks a ton for this information! And your support as well, these last few days I've been just trying to mentally prepare myself. It's like I keep trying to pretend i have the impaired vision to see what it would look like and try to already compensate. I keep having to remind myself don't do that, you can still see so just take advantage of it as best as you can, stick to the diet regime of spinach/salads, exercise, and the AREDS 2 supplement and wait it out. May be a long way, may be short, may be never, but I need to just not focus on all that stuff and just handle it as it comes and adapt as possible.

Absolutely appreciate all the extra information and thoughts to consider and more prepared questions to ask as well. I'm getting a 2nd opinion today from a regular optomitrist with a full dialation this time and that place also has macular degeneration specialists they can send me to if it's confirmed. I live in a small town away from the big city as for my work I just need to be by an airport to fly out to clients so I've taken advantage of that for a long time now.

And thanks for the extra info sites to keep on top of research, that is super helpful, is there a list of medical doctors in the country that are leaders in the field? I'd be open to travel to visit a specialist if helped possibly give me an edge with trying to slow this down or like you say be treated by someone on the cusp of the latest and greatest research and studies.

Heck I wouldn't mind being part of a study for those of us well younger than the 60+ area it seems to start in for most.

Like others in this thread, I also work in IT so I've spent my whole career looking at computer screens, always around a laptop at home or iPad or 4k TV etc. So I haven't noticed anything amiss while working with those that I would bring front and center as a 'that's a sign' type of thing, but here's to hoping I can hopefully slow it down if I am confirmed with it to prolong my vision as much as possible to enjoy my family with.

Thanks again for the tremendous support.
SpikeTheCookie 1 points 3y ago
Hello /u/LeakyBuffer! I'm so glad my comments were helpful.

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I wanted to check in with you and see how your second opinion went? Did they refer you to an MD specialist?

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You asked about experts, and there's not really a list, but if you'll tell me where you live, I'll do some research on where you might go for world-class advice. :-)

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By the way, a friend just pointed me in the direction of the Blind Institute of Technology. I'll include the link below. I'm res-killing, and I've just reached out to them.


You're doing fine now, but in the future, if you have difficulty with jobs, you can rely on your state's Bureau of Rehabilitative Services, Blind and Visually Impaired Services, as well as this nonprofit for finding employers committed to hiring blind tech employees.


Bureau of Rehabilitative Services, Blind and Visually Impaired Services
slong0102 3 points 4y ago
I'm much older and so sorry that this is happening to you. Be sure to get on the Facebook Macular Degeneration support group sites. There's a couple different ones but just do a search and they'll pop up. I'm fairly new to all this and I'm finding the information extremely useful.
LeakyBuffer [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Thank you and appreciate your support, I'll definitely take a look for those support groups.
KingWithoutClothes 2 points 4y ago
I was born with a very rare (1:100,000 people) condition called aniridia. The disorder consists of an entire assemblage of pathologies and involves widespread abnormal development of many structures inside the eye, all of which can impair vision. Aniridia comes in different levels of severity but in my case the overall condition is particularly. Macular degeneration is one of the things that frequently comes along with aniridia and it's also been an issue for me.

I already had low vision when I was born, which is typical for my disorder. When I was a baby, I had about 30/100 vision. Nowadays this frankly sounds like superman vision to me. I can't believe I've ever seen that much. Over the course of my childhood/youth, my vision kept decreasing, which is also a typical development (aniridia is, as of now, incurable). When I was 14, I pretty much lost my left eye as it went completely blind. I don't even see light and shadow anymore there. My right eye went through a period of stagnation, which I was incredibly happy about. All the doctors originally thought I'd be completely blind around age 20. I'm now 30 and within the past three years I have gone through an incredibly tough time of losing pretty much all of the remaining vision. My vision now hovers somewhere around 2/100.

I wanna tell you two things. First of all, I'm very sorry this happens to you. Speaking from an entire lifetime of experience, there's hardly anyone who knows as much about how painful it is to lose your eyesight than I do. However, I strongly advise you to not play strong toward your family. Don't do this Walter White thing where you go around pretending everything's just fine. Your partner and your children have to know about this, even if it will worry them. Sooner or later it's going to happen anyway. You already have enough to carry on your own, don't worry so much about how everyone else will deal with this. What's most important is that you're not going to break as a result of this and for that you need people you can trust and talk to. I'm married and my wife knows about everything regarding my eyes. It would never work otherwise. Sometimes I feel like total crap and I need her to comfort me. She's been a my rock throughout the past years and I could have never made it without her. Moreover, it's important to tell your family about this so they can understand your situation. For example at one point you will need adjustments in your daily life and you will want people to know why these adjustments are necessary.

The other thing I wanted to tell you is a message of hope. Unless you are surgeon, which would indeed be very unfortunate, there's almost no job/career that you will have to give up. Blind and visually impaired folks work in many different careers. Thanks to modern technology, there are a ton of accessibility-related adjustments that can be made and new skills you can learn. Also, I can tell you that while losing vision is unspeakably tough, there's also a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm saying this as I'm slowly starting my overall psychological situation to go up again after 3 years of total darkness. I'm still a far way from being content and happy in life but I can feel that one day I will be. Losing your vision drastically changes your life but your life will still be worth living. I still cook, I still travel, I still write and read... and I'm currently thinking about new hobbies that I could take up... maybe pottery would be cool to try out.
LeakyBuffer [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Thanks a ton for sharing so much about yourself. It's very comforting to read how your life has been and how you have been able to live it and enjoy it and how you managed to get thru the really hard times. My lady I've kept up on the situation as well, although at the moment she is going to undergo a big surgery so her mind has been a little taken by that; but she has been there to tell me she will support me if the worst comes in the future which is at least something.

Also my 2 daughters will hopefully be old enough to help at the time if I do start to struggle. The biggest hurdle has been the mind game and the whole self thought things and I've definitely caught myself bringing myself down with just worrying about the future.

Moments of clarity in the grand scheme I do get those thoughts of what will happen will happen and just take it a day, week, month, year at a time. Don't waste my time thinking tomorrow everything will be over. It's just a little challenging now as my kinds are still young, oldest is 8, youngest is 19 months so ideally I would like to see them till the youngest is about 18 or older to know they get past the first hurdles in life. But nothing is guaranteed, and I need to accept that and just live in the now and handle what comes as it comes.

And luckily not a surgeon, work in IT so I do hope over the next years coming up that progress is made on addressing both types of AMD as best as possible.

Thinking back about how my vision has always required I wear glasses, it not really that much of a surprise if something like this is the real deal, I am grateful for being able to see up until now and I find myself thinking about it from that angle.

You all have been amazing in the support and sharing your experiences, and I will definitely try to update this thread from time to time in case somebody else encounters this situation in a similar manner that I did.

Your experiences, insights, and things you shared with me to help me deal with this are SO APPRECIATED and I can't thank you enough.
danie02 2 points 4y ago
Yes, me. 38 F. I was born with retinopathy of prematurity, which has increased my risk of all the diseases commonly found in middle aged & elderly adults.

My first & second retinal surgeries were at 18. Then cataract removal at 23. Third & fourth retinal surgeries around 31. At 37 I was diagnosed with moderate glaucoma & last year my retinal surgeon casually mentioned myopic macular degeneration ( mimics dry AMD).

He said I have probably had it for the majority of my life. His only suggestions are to take the AREDS2 vitamins, watch & wait. I have noticed a significant decrease in vision in the last year and a half. I have always been very nearsighted, but now I am starting to feel low vision. I, too, am hoping my degeneration is as slow as it has been so far.

This is just an educated guess, but I think that the cholesterol drugs work because the drusen (yellow fat deposits visible with AMD) represent the clogging of the tiny blood vessels in the macula. I eat a lower fat plant based diet & try to drink a green smoothie (as an adjunct to the AREDS2 vitamins) most days of the week to reverse/ prevent further clogging. I hope this makes sense.
LeakyBuffer [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Thanks for sharing your experience! And I hope your vision holds steady and we can be part of the similar club to try to prolong this thing as our years tick on. Since I've always had to absolutely use glasses, I never thought much for eye diseases with the only exception of the diabetic rhinopny. But was pretty much just life as usual not thinking of anything until I got told by the eye doc on that checkup about having MD.

When you say low vision, do you mean like low-light vision?

I'm sorry you had to go thru all those vision surgeries up to this point in your life, but I hope we can see good luck on our sides as we age.
selllowbuyhighrepeat 2 points 4y ago
Welcome to the club. I have a fancy thing called lhon that hit me at 20 and took away vision in one eye and half in the other. 7 years later vision hasn’t changed. I take super good care of my eyes and try to exercise and eat right. Mine is more the nerves behind the eyes, but my docs always say don’t ever smoke and don’t drink much. It’s a scary thing, but this is a good community to help calm some nerves. Hope it all goes well for you.
LeakyBuffer [OP] 2 points 4y ago
Thank you very much for sharing your experience and your support. LIke you I hope both of our situations can be prolonged to help us. I've never had good vision, first glasses I think were in the 2nd or 3rd grade so my vision without them is super crap. My latest check up my right eye which has always been the worse one (although both I literally can't function without glasses), got a little bit rougher so I needed an update with that prescription.

At this point I have no idea what to expect, and it's frankly hard to really understand at this point other than the fear. I still need to function as best as I can for my family so I'm just working on mentally accepting things and taking things as they go rather than sit and be thinking of the future what if's and how things will be. Basically try to live in the now, and only handle the when, when it gets here kind of thing.
Sea-Ad636 1 points 8m ago
I got diagnosed with retinal dystrophy at age 33. Started with wavy vision in one eye. The other eye used to be the good eye. Today I am 41 yrs old. The good eye is now twice as bad as the first eye. Still have central vision in both eyes but everything appears to be distorted. Colour vision is almost gone, contrast vision is very poor. Can barely see faces in dark. When I drive, I have to continually adjust to changing light. Not sure how much longer I will be able to work or drive. I work in IT and computer accessibility features are the only hope. Life is becoming more and more challenging everyday. Fear of losing vision is a continuous scare I have to live with. So much uncertainty. There is no hope because there is no treatment for this condition.
BhaiOnline 1 points 10m ago
Following as my relative also got the same .
She is in 30s.
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keepingitreal0 1 points 1y ago
Any updates?
outside_unit 1 points 3y ago
I was diagnosed with MD in 2016 when I was 26. It has been getting worse ever since. My eyeballs started shaking rapidly when I concentrate on something. Which is annoying especially when reading. I use dark mode and magnify tool to make it a bit easy. I only drive at night time with extremely low speed.

I've never talked to someone with macular degeneration at young age. I'm curious as to know if you have been experiencing the same symptoms.
CaptainMurika49 1 points 1y ago
Not sure if you’re still around but I believe I might have MD.

I have difficulty seeing in the dark with my right eye.

First I thought it might be eye floaters affecting my right eye. I noticed that when I used my right eyes peripheral vision I could make objects out that normally would look fuzzy or difficult to distinguish with I look straight at it.

Can you tell me if this happened to you early on?
LeakyBuffer [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Is it me, or does the AREDS 2 supplement really cause a lot of dreams? I've noticed ever since I started taking it that I have multiple dreams a night. Only thing I can think of that has been different is that supplement.
Autumnwood 1 points 4y ago
Hello there. I'm not 30 but late 50's and last year was diagnosed with MD in my left eye. It was wet MD. I have been receiving injections into the eye since last year and am doing treat and extend now.




The doctor said he wants me on AREDS, and to eat dark greens daily. I try my best to either eat a serving of dark greens daily, but that doesn't always happen. What is easiest is to keep a bag of prewashed chopped kale or spinach in my fridge. I make a smoothie every day almost. I use a Nutribullet - it really works better than a blender and I mix in nuts, berries, avocado or banana, some cinnamon for blood sugar, a quarter tsp turmeric, and some Kyogreen and ground flax seed. Mix it all and have it as a snack or a meal!




I'm interested about the cholesterol comment and about the responder's comment about cholesterol. Mine has been high for years, even when I eat very well. Now I wonder if that is a contributor and if my eye veins are clogging what about my other veins?!
LeakyBuffer [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Hey there, definitely hope your injections help stave off the MD. Dumb q, but does wet MD turn into try MD? It seems like wet MD is something that someone would have if they 'did not' have dry MD right?

But yea it sounds like wet MD has those distored vision symptoms instead of say dark areas etc? I'll need to see where the doctors go with me to see the type but yea I assume it's dry on me for the time being as I wouldn't say I have any wet MD symptoms.

What was your symptom that led to the wet AMD diagnosis?

The cholesterol study is the only one at the moment I am aware of that did any good for dry AMD patients in any possibility. But a possiblity is better than just taken vitamins and hope if nothing else. However it looks like that study only applied for a subset of people so no guarantee's, but if one could take the high dose of meds for as long as the study was without side-effects or permenent cons then it would be worth it in my mind.
Autumnwood 1 points 4y ago
No question is dumb! Well. My doctor told me that the injections arento help turn the worse wet MD into dry MD. Wet is basically bleeding and broken blood vessels in the back of the eye. I don't know what dry is. Not bleeding? Dry is better they said. But I don't know better how.




So yeah mine started out as some blurriness. I have allergies and get that in season. So I didn't think anything of it. But the blurriness wasn't going away. Then one day I noticed wavy text. Immediately I knew something was wrong. But I assumed it was a tumor pressing my optic nerve, because tumors can cause these symptoms. AND I have had a pituitary tumor since the 80's. I have to be on meds for life to keep it down. But the doctor said it's okay you're in menopause you can go off them. So I'd been off several years. So when I saw the wavy lines I was like omg the tumor is outta control. So instead of going to the opthalmologist, I went to my endocrinologist and had an MRI. Yes my tumor had started again but was very small and here are the meds you gotta stay on for life - and go see an opthalmologist. So when I got to him he asked oh boy why did you wait so long to come to see me? Umm because we all thought it was a brain tumor. 🤪




So now I have loss of central vision in my left eye. They said it's not bad but I can't see well out of it anymore. And when I look at text now, the waviness is gone (went away after first injection) but I see a slash through horizontal lines or anything. He said that's never going to go away. So that's my new norm. Blurry central vision and slash through text.




I feel really fortunate that mine could be helped with injections. He said 15 years ago there would be nothing anyone could do and I would lose the sight in that eye and maybe both. I have to check both regularly against the Amsler and eat greens and take the AREDS. I wear blue light reduction lens all the time and sunglasses outside. I have plenty of floaters after the injections started.




Tell me more about yours.
brainotomy 1 points 4y ago
Not MD but I get these lumps growing on my cornea called Saltzman’s Nodules. Started when I was 30. Very few years I have to go to a special clinic to have them use a tiny ice cream scoop looking thing to scrape the nodules off. So much fun.

I do have a family history of MD and will likely get them when I am 70 which is five years after I will probably have the stroke that also runs in my family,
LeakyBuffer [OP] 2 points 4y ago
Thanks for the bit of humor haha yea I was thinking you never know what life may throw, might be worrying about vision to only die the next day!

Yea scraping things off sounds extremely unpleasant, are they able to numb your eye to make it a non-issue?
BrailleNomad 1 points 4y ago
OP, you might read up on Stargardt’s Disease as well. It usually presents in childhood, but it can happen in adulthood/middle age sometimes. And yes, definitely see someone who specializes in macular degeneration! Good luck with this!
LeakyBuffer [OP] 1 points 4y ago
Thank you very much! Yea in my searches on this I started hearing about those dealing with in earlier in life and getting seen as the Stargardt's type. Definitely something I am curious about once I do see the specialist and go from there with a myriad of questions that I have now been educated with from the experience in this group :)

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