Why is it some blind people refuse to use canes?(self.Blind)
submitted by RJHand
I've been blind my whole life. Never gone to school at a blind school but was part of a summer sports camp for a few years. One thing I noticed, specially from the students who went there was they refused to use a cane and did not have a dog. Did not see anything wrong with that either. And it doesn't seem like the school enforced cane usage. I honestly can not imagine not having a cane. I've always been taught by my mobility instructor to always use my cane and always have one with me. And I agree. It gives you so much freedom. No need to depend on others around you for guidance and not only that but its sending a message to those around you that your blind so they don't think your a jerk when you bang into them. For those with partial vision I can kind of understand why you wouldn't want to use one as you can use whatever vision you have. But if your totally blind, why reject the cane?
jennyquarx18 points3y ago
For me, it's because of insecurity. And I feel like it makes me look more "vulnerable" and therefore feel unsafe from other people.
I'm very slowly changing it though. I've started carrying it with me to get used to it.
Awaywithwords61 points3y ago
I agree. I found that it made people afraid of me and made them only see me for my disability, but it can also make a great weapon if you find yourself in any dicey situations.
cookieinaloop17 points3y ago
People who lose their eyesight gradually can be terrified of using a cane/any blind aid tool as it's the final proof that they're finally, in fact, blind.
Also, some people are ashamed to be recognized as blind. In their minds, if people see them with a cane they will think less of them and even think they're not as valuable as a person as a sighted peer. This is quite common in the place I used to live.
Talan11778 points3y ago
My mother (whose eyes are worse than mine) refuses to use one. She admits she needs one but refuses to use one out of vanity. I, on the other hand, much prefer to use them especially in crowded environments. We both are legally blind but still have some usable vision. They are hard to use while pushing a shopping cart though.
razzretina5 points3y ago
Ambutech makes custom designer canes that don't cost any more than a regular cane if that might sway your mother. She would probably feel a little better with a folding cane, too. The trick to using a cane with a cart is to walk in front of the cart and pull it behind you from its front, not its handle. It's awkward but it can be done. Or get a shopping assistant to push the cart for you (just pester someone at the customer service desk and they'll bring someone over).
Anianna1 points3y ago
Are there grocery stores with accessibility apps or other tool that helps the visually impaired find things in the store? How do you find what you need if you can't see where it is?
razzretina1 points3y ago
Not that I’ve ever heard of. But the old fashioned way of asking for a store employee to help you shop still works. They don’t always get things right so it’s good to know what you want and be prepared to ask a lot of questions. You can also just wander around the stores you shop the most at and get an idea of where things are. Except for the middle aisles, the layout of most grocery stores never changes; fresh foods, produce, bakery and deli are always on the outside. If it’s a different kind of store you’re in or a Walmart where they changes where things are again, most employers don’t mind taking a break and shopping with you.
KrolPolski5 points3y ago
It works better if you walk in front of the cart and pull it with your free hand.
RJHand [OP]1 points3y ago
So then, with all due respect, y does she still insist on not using one if she herself admits she needs it? Why lie to yourself
Talan11772 points3y ago
I’m agreeing with you on this. But she’s very stubborn.
yourmommaisaunicorn7 points3y ago
My state won’t provide them unless you need help finding work.
Since I’m fully employed with the same people before my eyesight got bad enough, according to the state I have sustained full time employment and thus do not qualify for cane training.
Why would I buy something I can’t use?
razzretina6 points3y ago
Here's the full text of "Care and Feeding of the Long White Cane". It's not as good as having an instructor, but it will give you the starting skills and enough to safely get around with. If you're in the US you can get a free cane from the National Fedration of the Blind, if you're so inclined. If you show up to work with a cane, your employer might change their mind about not getting you training too. It might be worth a shot anyway. :) https://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/fr/fr15/issue1/f1501tc2.html
yourmommaisaunicorn4 points3y ago
Sweet! Thank you! Unfortunately it’s not up to my employer, it’s the state. My boss would have to fire me and I’d have to be unemployed for 3 years before the state would do anything
Amonwilde2 points3y ago
Just read a bit and use it and you'll figure it out. It's not a chemistry set, it's a stick, and half the use of it is to ID you as blind. Not to say that there isn't a lot of skill involved in a good cane user, but a lot of that is necessarily self-taught.
razzretina1 points3y ago
That sounds really bizarre and kind of questionable on your state’s part. Are you able to get in touch with any local advocacy agencies for people with disabilities? If nothing else, there are so many lawyers in the blind community. :D You should be eligible for services through Vocational Rehabilitation regardless, and if not them, there are usually other agencies that help with equipment and training so you can keep your job.
yourmommaisaunicorn2 points3y ago
Oh I’m not at risk for losing my job at all. It’s just a stupid system that says if you have fulfilling full-time work, you are thereby not eligible for services. Even if said services are as simple as cane training so I can go out at night on my own.
[deleted]2 points3y ago
If you have full-time employment can you not afford to buy one..? They aren't that expensive especially if you're working 40 hours a week.
highpointing2 points3y ago
What evil state do you live in?
yourmommaisaunicorn0 points3y ago
Same state that gave you Steve King. We’re helpful on food but that’s it.
highpointing1 points3y ago
Look up Hawkeye Point.
yourmommaisaunicorn1 points3y ago
Will do! Thank you for the tip.
razzretina6 points3y ago
I fought my school district for cane training when I was 12. Got tired of falling down stairs at night and ruining my back watching my feet. I understand the vanity thing for some folks, but to that I must say: you look a lot less dignified slamming full force or watching your toes all the time. Using a cane gives you confidence you didn't think you could have. You walk taller and faster and you can laugh at the sighted people who run into things getting out of your way. And at least Ambutech makes custom designer canes that don't cost any more than a regular one.
RJHand [OP]2 points3y ago
My thoughts exactly. Once you learn to use it, you'll feel much more independent
smkelly2 points3y ago
Now I'm curious. How did you customize your Ambutech cane? Or are you just talking about how they have options for foldable segments, height, etc?
I do see they have cork and wooden hand grips. I'm tempted to try the cork one.
razzretina1 points3y ago
There’s custom tip and color options on the website. :) I stick to the traditional colours myself but you can basically make your cane any colour you want now. I’ve never seen a cork handle in person before so I can’t say how it would fare compared to smooth or golf grip ones but you should go for it if you want to try it out!
chloem864 points3y ago
I was never offered a cane. It wasn't until I was 20 that I realised that I could get one- I thought that you had to have less sight than I did to get one!!! Kind of annoyed as I feel it would have been great- I'm 24 now but I'm kind of scared to enquire About getting one
skycaster152 points3y ago
If your in the US you can her a free one and then ask your state about vocational rehab to learn to use it. Although using it isnt hard.
hurricjayne3 points3y ago
For me, the cane for more than 20 minutes is painful and uncomfortable. I have god knows how many blisters on my hands from it, and the actual motion of the cane bends the joints in my hands in a painful way (hypermobile hand joints yay!).
Also I don’t like the way people treat me when I have it - it’s always either being treated like an inept baby or like i’m nonexistent. Bleh.
Thankfully I live in a small town so I can get away with working by colour blobs for shops and familiarity if I need to go out but mostly just sighted guide with my hubs to be.
CloudyBeep2 points3y ago
You shouldn't get blisters or hand pain from using a cane. You're probably not using it correctly, so you should get some training if possible. Using it incorrectly is almost as bad as not using it at all.
hurricjayne2 points3y ago
I get hand pain from just holding things, I just have whack ass hands. I’ve had people try to correct my technique but they said there’s nothing they can do as the main issue is my actual hand 🤷🏻♀️ I’ll admit the blisters usually happen when I’m in a rush and I’m not really paying attention to my technique though.
stupidpoopoohead1 points3y ago
My daughter has EDS so the typical heavy cane caused her pain to. She doesn’t have the same issue with the fiberglass NFB cane that you can get for free. Maybe you could try that?
RJHand [OP]1 points3y ago
Oh yeah, that shit happens to me too. Nothing wrong with being blunt with someone to set them straight. Have had to do that several times. Things like Hey, talk to me, I'm the one your dealing with, not him / her (person I'm with). Shit like that. You shouldn't be denying yourself A mobility aid simply because of the way your treated with it. Don't be afraid to speak up to people. A cane will help you so much in the long run. Or a dog even. I personally prefer a cane but that's my opinion.
hurricjayne2 points3y ago
Personally i prefer sighted guiding to anything but I’m such an outlier 😂 I already tried to get a dog but alas 😞
Hellsacomin941 points3y ago
If you don’t mind me asking, why can’t you get a dog?
hurricjayne1 points3y ago
I applied and they said my sight hadn’t degraded enough to need one yet. UK Guide Dogs have to be super selective nowadays so I’m ‘not blind enough’ as it were.
So instead i’m just stuck with hand pain and a lack of independence 🤷🏻♀️
ukifrit1 points3y ago
People will treat me this way with or without a cane, so why not to use it? At least I can make my way around without fear from unexpected stuff I otherwise would bump into.
hurricjayne1 points3y ago
I’m not a big go-out person so 90% of the time when I’m going out I’m with someone anyway, so for me it’s easier and more convenient just to sighted guide.
But hand pain is my main issue with it honestly
skycaster153 points3y ago
Having the ability to use a cane and you dont when you know it could he is p you is something I will never understand.
In today's society we have the ability to have freedom and go/do what we want without constant worry or injury and you choose to (probably) look even more ridiculous by stumbling and tripping and running into things.
If you run into a person who doesnt understand use that as an opportunity to teach them about your disability.
Know your rights and laws. What constitutes assault and harassment. Where your guide dog is and isnt allowed.
There are also apps like be my eyes and a ton of other electronic sources that can help blind and visually impaired people.
Stop living like its 1500 where blind people had no rights, no way to do anything and take advantage of the amazing advances in society.
RJHand [OP]3 points3y ago
Exactly. Who cares if your blind? If you have to, if you know you don't have enough vision, use your damn cane lol. You have the right to do what you want. Who cares if you look disabled? Show people your not.
skycaster152 points3y ago
Exactly. Dont let your blindness disable you. Take charge and show people that you are just as able. You just need a little assistance from a cane or a dog or phone apps. You look more ridiculous being clumsy because you can't see.
benee163 points3y ago
I am blind in one eye and have partial vision in the other. As a result I have no depth perception. I use my cane at night or in crowded areas. It gives people a heads up that I can't see, and keeps me from tripping over or bumping into things I didn't see. I don't know why people that can't see wouldn't use a cane. It is not hard to use, so that's just a poor excuse. It is also not that hard to order one, since even amazon sells ambutech canes. And in this day and age, people could care less if you are using a cane. I received mobility training when I was in elementary school, but not recently. I've learned how to use my cane by using it, gee what a concept.
winkta2 points3y ago
for most people, i think it’s insecurity or embarrassment—it seems to vary in nature depending on if you’ve gone blind, or been born blind. i think people going blind are afraid to “become” blind in the minds of those around them, whereas those born blind are afraid of losing autonomy. (or genuinely: get around just fine.)
when i started using my cane, i just opted to embarrassedly carry it around. in retrospect, that looked even worse
HDMILex2 points3y ago
Couldn't go anywhere without my cane. It's literally an extension of myself (almost like eyes).
Even with remote visual assistance apps, I have to use a cane - how else am I supposed to detect surfaces/dropoffs?
RJHand [OP]1 points3y ago
Yes I agree.
vapidvision2 points3y ago
At blind camp, they talked to us about "cane shame," and that phrase always stuck with me.
samarositz2 points3y ago
I agree with everyone here. Why not use it even if you don't have to? I did date some once who had some usable vision but not a lot. She was just learning t use a cane at the time but just didn't feel comfortable using it. Also, I think it was a hard thing for her to trust, always worried she was going to step off a step or trip up a curb the cane missed. She was not bashful or embarrassed about using it at all, just not confident.
codeplaysleep2 points3y ago
I've been legally blind my whole life. I never got O&M training when I was younger, because my parents didn't think my vision loss was severe enough to need a cane, since I could generally get around without one - and I can, for the most part. I struggle at night, in bad lighting, and in unfamiliar places. But my world was very small growing up - home, school, the houses of a few friends. I did fine without a cane, so no effort was made to teach me how to use one.
Now I'm 41 and have recently come to the conclusion that I need to start using one for my own safety. Injuries hurt a lot more and take a lot more time to recover from than they did when I was a kid. Also, I have more desire to be out and doing things on my own.
But I'm super self-conscious about it. I live in a small town and no one that I know or have seen out in the community uses one. Literally, no one. There was one kid I went to high school with who did, but he moved away. In my entire 4 decades of living in this town, he's the only person I've ever seen that used a cane.
Californiaolivia2 points3y ago
I can only guess independence.
PungentMushrooms1 points3y ago
In certain situations it would be very helpful to have a cane in my case but it's a little awkward because I still have some usable vision. I feel like it would look strange to others seeing me visibly looking around at my surroundings whilst holding a cane.
I've bumped into enough people that it probably warrants me to have one but I feel like I still have enough vision that it wouldn't be okay for me to own
CloudyBeep1 points3y ago
If you think you need one, get one. Don't worry about how other people will perceive you, because they're not living your life and don't care about what's best for you.
aaronespinozaca0 points3y ago
Some people are embarrassed to identify themselves as blind. I heard it be compared to coming out the closet. People go years without identifying themselves as blind and don’t use the tools that can make their life’s easier.
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