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Those who use SAP (Secondary Audio Programming) when listening to TV, what are your gripes about it? (self.Blind)
submitted by emlup
If you make use of SAP, what do you think can be done to improve it?
Marconius 3 points 3y ago
Have more of it available on many more stations, honestly. Currently it works well and even gets captured by my DirectTV DVR, but the shows that are described aren't the ones that I ultimately want description for. It should also be a lot easier to activate SAP from the native remotes that come with cable/satellite/TV systems. Really want premium networks like HBO, Showtime, AMC, etc. to get with the times and start offering AD for their shows.

Also, if the channel presents with 5.1 audio, switching to SAP must not crush the show audio into 2.0 stereo sound. That pisses me off to no end for both TV shows and when watching DVD/Blu-rays.
emlup [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I can't believe HBO and Showtime don't offer it.

Great point about the transition from surround to stereo--that's obnoxious.
AnElusiveDreamer 1 points 3y ago
I’ve never been able to figure out how to use it, unfortunately. I wish I could just push a button to turn it on, but it seems more complicated than that.
KillerLag 1 points 3y ago
For some TVs, it is a push of a button. For others, it's a complicated mess sorting through menus and such.
winkta 0 points 3y ago
i dislike most description and find it useless at achieving what it’s meant to. i think the standardized guidelines surrounding description make for a poor and uninformed experience, meant more to benefit sighted people’s egos than anything else. i’m very skeptical about what people CHOOSE to describe as well. like, how lackluster and undetailed will a sex scene be? what details of someone’s appearance will the AD track decide are supposed to matter to me? (for example: not mentioning a character’s race, which later makes a throwaway comment she makes sound weird and contextless.)

it’s just obnoxious that if an AD track already isn’t good or compelling, i’ll have to deal with it deciding which details are appropriate for me to know as well. there’s other problems like AD being out of sync with music or dialogue, but most of my issue is that.
emlup [OP] 1 points 3y ago
This is something I've thought about as well. If the standardized guidelines didn't exist, would you be more into it if you knew you could trust that the description was good?

Like, let's say you listen to a podcast where you love the hosts 'cause they're funny/clever/entertaining and you listen every week or whatever. Then you find out that they are doing the AD track for a show. Would you be more inclined to listen?
winkta 1 points 3y ago
yeah! i wish more creators were one-on-one involved in the production of their media’s AD track. after the initial debacle with netflix’s daredevil not having AD, that’s what i appreciated about marvel’s follow-up. the AD legitimately feels like a part of the story, and captures characters or details with genuine narrative intimacy. most AD feels entirely barebones in comparison, like it was written by someone unfamiliar with the story or something. i interact with media intending to care about it, so it infuriates me when the AD doesn’t reflect the medium it’s meant to describe at all. it often feels tonally dissonant, sometimes in a way that feels it could only be bridged by content creators themselves.
CloudyBeep 0 points 3y ago
I've listened to AD produced by people who weren't taught to write in accordance with specifications, or when the specifications aren't specific enough. The AD is often much worse than when specifications are adhered to. If you know what to listen for, you can spot amateur AD very easily.
emlup [OP] 2 points 3y ago
Makes sense.
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