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Hi! I'm new to reddit and I'm just wondering if you guys are facing the same flak that I am (self.Blind)
submitted by Leckzsluthor
I recently made a post in the subreddit r/NoStupidQuestions. It was an unserious humorous question and it sorta blew up. Over 3,000 comments right now. And I've got a LOT of really aggressive accusations of faking blindness, for multiple baseless reasons. Do you guys also get these accusations on your posts? Just curious!

Thanks for reading!
losingmyvision 9 points 3y ago
Hey! I saw in your AMA that you lost your vision to RP. I'm in a similar situation, but I'm very lucky and have only lost most of my peripherial vision so far.

So, I can't say I have faced any similar situations as you on reddit, but I wanted to comment anyways. I read through your post and a lot of the comments were pretty frustrating, to be honest. I can understand that a large majority of people have never interacted with or even thought about blind people for any real length of time, so all the questions like "how do u even use internet??" are expected. (But annoying). However, a lot of people seemed to just straight up deny that it was even possible for a blind person to respond to so many comments, or use emoticons (as if blind people don't have emotions?). Those comments were the worst, because obviously they have no idea what they're talking about, and they can't fathom that it's even possible to do things without sight.

It really sucks that you have to explain to so many people what seems so basic to us.

To answer your question: What probably gave the most pause to people was your use of emoticons and the way you structure your comments. You are very expressive with your text in terms of capitalization, punctuation, and emoticons. I'm guessing that people just wouldn't expect that from someone who can't see? Or, again, they're just really dumb and don't think blind people can use the internet in the same way sighted people can.

I saw that you edited your post to explain your setup and I think that was a good idea to help stop those comments, although with how much that post blew up I don't think you could've done much more.

Either way, it's not your fault and I'm sorry you have to deal with that. However, I'm glad you got to educate some folks, and hopefully they'll pass that knowledge on to others. Hopefully others can chime in with some better advice.
Leckzsluthor [OP] 3 points 3y ago
Aw thanks for the kind words! Everything you said is completely accurate, and it's kinda depressing... hopefully you're right and others can correct the BS, but I dunno, I don't have much faith in people! Haha.

Thanks for commenting!
bradley22 8 points 3y ago
A lot of sited people are very quick to judge. After all, if they couldn’t imagine doing it, living while blind, it must be impossible.

I haven’t come across this yet but that’s because I don’t post to manysubreddits.
Leckzsluthor [OP] 2 points 3y ago
Exactly. They don't understand something, therefore, it cannot be true. It's very common unfortunately
bradley22 2 points 3y ago
It is but there are nice people too.

Then there are those who just leave us alone.

I’d much rather be left alone than helped by people who won’t take no for an answer.
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Me too, often over helping is worse than not helping at all!
bradley22 1 points 3y ago
That’s true.
finn141414 4 points 3y ago
Oh wow - I just saw your question - that was a good one.

There are a LOT of aggressive, critical, "troll-ish" people on reddit. There are also a lot of nice people. Hopefully with the voting system as well as the ability to report it ends up fair in the end, but I would count on some aggression wherever you post on reddit - it's tough because you might get 99 nice responses and 1 mean one and it's hard not to let it stick ...
Leckzsluthor [OP] 3 points 3y ago
That's very true, it's really hard to not let those comments get to you. Especially if they're spreading misinformation about blind people and they may influence others! I try to reply simply so if someone comes across it they have the correct information instead of the nonsense the 'troll' is spewing.

Thanks for taking the time to reply!
BlindWarriorGurl 3 points 3y ago
One time when I posted something, somebody commented thanking the person who wrote it for me. I’m sure they didn’t mean it in a bad way, but it still upset me a bit.
PistachioCaramel 3 points 3y ago
Hey, welcome to Reddit! :)

Sighted person here, but maybe I can still lend some perspective on this.

There's a few things to untangle here:

1. First and foremost, people are idiots.
2. Apparently, blind people on the internet getting accused of faking is a thing, unfortunately. Molly Burke, a popular blind Youtuber, still gets accused of faking to this day in the comment section of her videos. It makes no sense, and trying to understand what motivates these people is wasted time. Don't even bother arguing with them, you don't need to justify yourself to anyone. Feeling that you need to address or respond to personal attacks, slander, misinformation or anything like that is actually part of the problem. It's fine to let those dumb comments stand - anyone with half a brain will put them in the right context when they read them, and realize that you just didn't feel the need to dignify them with a response.
3. We sighted people can ask some pretty dumb questions of blind people, and be ignorant about how self-sufficient many of you are. It can honestly be quite surprising for us to see how well you use the internet for example. We rely on our vision so damn much that it's mind-boggling to us how well people can manage that lack that sense. It also took me a lot of reading, listening and watching to realize just how independent blind people can be. So, sighted people then react differently to this: Some with wonder and astonishment. Others unfortunately jump to the conclusion "I don't understand this, it can't be true, therefore they must be faking". Don't mistake genuine interest for accusations though: Tone doesn't come through well over the internet, and often it's just us asking a dumb, but sincere question.
4. There's some really strong groupthink on Reddit, at least in some communities. Unless you fall in line with that, you're always going to get some level of resistance, antagonism or controversy. It requires a thick skin, but it can be worth it for the 5% of awesome people or ideas you might find. But you need to develop a skill where you can quickly identify comments that aren't worth your time, and quickly brush them off. I imagine that this might be more difficult with text-to-speech though.
5. You'll always notice the ones that sting more than the positive ones. Dramatically so. It's unfortunate, but this applies to pretty much any internet media, be it Twitter, Reddit or YouTube. You may just have read 10 positive comments in a row, but that one that hurts you just stings. We all have that bias. But being aware of it helps a lot with moving on quickly from those.
Starshot84 1 points 1y ago
Awesome person here ^^
PistachioCaramel 1 points 1y ago
Thanks man :)
dmazzoni 3 points 3y ago
Don't forget that Reddit isn't just one community, it's thousands of small communities. If you post in a large, general-audience, poorly-moderated subreddit you'll get a lot of stupid comments no matter what. I think it has less to do with blindness and more about it being a huge anonymous open forum on the Internet.

On the other hand if you post in a smaller subreddit that's centered around a particular interest or topic, with good moderation - you'll find little tolerance for trolls and rude comments.
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I know that's true! I was just talking about general experience. Like taking into account all small communities, just how common it overall is.
TrippingWithNoSight 3 points 3y ago
Meh. All the time. People are fucking idiots. Move along and find your own people.
Altie-McAltface 2 points 3y ago
Sucks when those idiots are sitting across the table from you at a job interview. I can explain until I'm blue in the face that not only do I use a computer, I build computers, but unless they can imagine it they won't believe me.
TrippingWithNoSight 1 points 3y ago
I no man. Sighted people are fucking stupid as shit sometimes :(
RaizoIngenting 1 points 3y ago
Where is the Reddit community where you blind people live I must know
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Leckzsluthor [OP] 2 points 3y ago
People are idiots!
Altie-McAltface 2 points 3y ago
Yep. Most people don't think we can clean ourselves after using the toilet let alone use a computer. If you want a good laugh/cry go to r/showerthoughts and search the word blind
BlueRock956 2 points 3y ago
I only reference my blindness in this Sub-R. The one time I touched on my blindness when doing a comment, I engaged in a long thread trying to prove that I cannot see anything.
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Haha that's my experience too! People literally expect you to go out of your way to prove your disability to them just because they're too ignorant to know that we're able to use Reddit. It's quite entitled in my opinion!

Really sorry that you go through that! Stay strong friend!
jwonz_ 2 points 3y ago
One of the accusatory assholes here.

Here’s my perspective causing me to hold such a stance and my evolving view of it.

So over the last few months I’ve been finding many posts on Reddit are faked to get karma, like in TIFU, NoStupidQuestions, and relationship advice. This blind post set off some alarms triggering my skepticism.

Namely:
1. Tone of the post, and judging that looking at poo being gross when such a concept is not guaranteed.
2. Accuracy and speed of typing. Nuanced hand typing done quickly with little to no mistakes.
3. Use of visual emoticons like xD :) =)

Several things have changed my mindset over the last week or so.
First OP has been consistent and persistent, so I’m doubting it is someone faking at this point.
Second, /u/superfreq2 an older account that has been replying to comments with more details triggered me to reflect.
Third, all the above alarms suggesting a fake are not proof positive, each can be explained away.

In light of this increased trustworthiness and with no real evidence I’m becoming inclined to believe OP is telling the truth.

I wish there was a way to verify users so people knew what they were reading is an actual happening and not the figment of some writer’s imagination.
Superfreq2 1 points 3y ago
I know your not saying this is untrue at this point but I thought I'd fill you in just for educational purposes on the three things you brought up. Also, I appreciate you giving your view of the situation.

1. The thing is that our other senses give us context too. I assume it's gross because of popular media, smell, and texture giving us a vague idea of what it must look like. Plus descriptions we may have come across such as on Reddit. Some people like to get really colorful with their adjectives... LOL

I imagine it's easy to assume that if you can't see it, it can't exist in a way, after all sight is the most vercitile and used sense.

2. People who are capable of doing so will ofter learn to touchtype instead of using the hunt and peck technique. We can use the raised tactile dots on the F and J keys, as well as the number 5 on a telephone/calculator style keypad to center our selves and then from there we just move our other fingers to reach other keys. These things were originally made for multitasking secretaries, but they now serve us well too. Anyone can learn to touchtype, it's just more vital for us.

Of course that said, cheaper keyboards such as many laptops come with often have the problem of the bumps waring down over time, and odd keyboard layouts or oddly sized keys mess us up.

3. As for emoticons, it's about context. We don't understand what they represent, but we do understand how theya re used,jsut by context. Plus, it only takes one sighted person to fill a blind person in and then for that blind person to spread it to other blind people for it to start reaching all of us eventually.

As for actual emoji, the screen reader she uses "Voiceover" has very good emoji support and can read any of the standard set, which is now massive. Not all screen readers are so lucky though... Most can only read a fraction of that, though "Talkback" for Android is nearly on par and "NVDA" for Windows is usually passable.
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
You're much better at explaining these things than me! Thanks so much for taking the time, I wouldn't have worded it that well!
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I really appreciate your honesty! At least you took the time to reflect and alter your opinion. I highly respect that of you! If you have any further questions or things you want clarification on, feel free to DM me! :)
bscross32 2 points 3y ago
People are stupid, and it seems they are willfully ignorant. Just downvote trollish shit. If they are asking reasonable questions, even if it does sound basic to us, upvote that because it's adding to the discussion.
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I love answering questions, it's just when they add accusations and snarky comments that really grind my gears. I know I shouldn't let it get to me but I can't help it sometimes.
bscross32 1 points 3y ago
Yeah I hate that too. Faking blind? OK so I love getting on the bus with a bunch of nutzos, not able to do anything on my own schedule, sacrificing the freedom of being able to drive, etc. Yeah bro, the faking blind life is so sweet.
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Exactly! Like being blind is harder in literally every way, you think I'd choose this?!
CakeDayOrDeath 1 points 3y ago
I apologize on behalf of sighted people. Not all of us are so ignorant.

I for one knew from the start that you read Reddit by using your Daredevil superpowers (this last part was sarcasm.)
devinprater 1 points 3y ago
I've posted on a few subs, mentioning my blindness, like on /r/dissidia and maybe /r/fanfiction, and those communities have been pretty welcoming. Maybe its the fact that Apple's VoiceOver has become slightly a thing in culture, or more likely Siri, so people can kind of understand screen readers that way. Of course those subs aren't that big. I'm fairly sure I've posted on r/AMA though too, but I didn't really get any comments from mine, lol.

My half-awake point being that smaller subs will probably be more welcoming, and more precise about interests, and bigger subs, like the foot long one, will be more filling.
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Thanks for your insight! That's super interesting!
without_nap 1 points 3y ago
yep! just posted about being blind on a gaming sub, and got "BUT HOW CAN YOU EVEN GAME?? BUT HOW CAN YOU READ THIS POST??"

people are ridiculous.
eclecticgurlie 3 points 3y ago
I am obviously an ignorant sighted person. I was all like "blind people can game?!?" so I had to google it.

We are ridiculous, but most I think are just trying to understand. I know myself I learned so much from actually meeting and hanging out with a VI person. My friends cousin who is VI came to drink beers with us one night. She was looking at facebook on her phone and I was like " What?!?". She explained so much to me that night about being blind. I am so glad that I got to meet her and learn so much.
without_nap 1 points 3y ago
Yeah -- that meme that was going around recently showing a blind person on their phone and the caption "IT'S A MIRACLE!!!" really bugged me and a lot of other blind people I know. Lots of us can see our phones! And game! And even read print!

There's lots of variation in VI out there. I have some central vision but very little to no peripheral vision. Some folks have peripheral but no central. Lots of us have other issues (I have severe night blindness and trouble seeing things that aren't high contrast). I personally am trying to enjoy what I can for as long as I can while my vision declines. The problem is, lots of folks like to challenge VI people or accuse them of faking. It happens A LOT. So anything you can do to educate others would be great!
themmama 1 points 3y ago
I've never had this, and most people are nice. What other subs do you all like? It saems not many blind people are on redit.
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I'm wuite new but personally I've been on the no stupid questions sub and the AMA sub. What about you?
djflex90 1 points 3y ago
I haven’t necessarily received a lot of this here as I’m pretty new, but I have been on YouTube for a long time and I get a lot of comments like that. You just have to eventually learn to ignore all of the noise, and focus on the constructive comments. It’s easier after a while
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Thanks! I'm working on it xD
Superfreq2 1 points 3y ago
I don't know what you may be getting in your inbox, but I checked both of your threads thurrally just to see what you meant and I saw that only like 2% of responses were that negative and none of those comments had any upvotes.

Basically, it's the internet, some people are jerks, but most people who might say that are just suspicious because they are ignorant about what we can do (most people are) and they think someone is posing as a blind person for kharma, as similar things happen pretty often on Reddit.
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
2%? Wow! I could've sworn it was much higher than that. In my notifications it's several pages of snarky passive aggressive questions, accusations, and sarcastic comments. I know it's the internet and it's to be expected, but I'm not a robot, I'm not immune to people's words as much as I'd like to be.

It mostly bothers me that people are spreading misinformation about being blind. When people say things like "OP can't be blind, blind people wouldn't use emoticons, because they don't have an concept of them" that's obviously an ignorant statement that is foolish, and if it were a private message I'd just brush it off, but since it's public, people could come along and read that, and become convinced that blind people can't use emotions, I'm just concerned about the spread of ignorance due to my post. That's why it really bothers me.

Thanks for your feedback though!
Superfreq2 1 points 3y ago
Oh yeah I totally understand why it pisses you off.

It does for me too. Maybe I'm missing something then? Which topic got more BS.
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
The post in r/NoStupidQuestions. Since my AMA is me explaining my experiences a lot more, most people read before coming to conclusions. But my humorous post in nostupidquestions was just me making a joke and I said "i'm a blind girl" So people kind of just made up their own minds about it. I\['m sure you're right and it's a small minority out of the total comments that did comment, I'm totally aware of that! I just think I got a lot of flak on that particular post in comparison to others, and just wanted to know others experiences and how you all recieve this kind of thing, if you do!
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Leckzsluthor [OP] 3 points 3y ago
Lol, if I had a dollar for every "How can you function as a human (paraphrasing) if you're blind?!" question, I'd have new eyes! hehe
codeplaysleep 1 points 3y ago
Oh geez "new eyes" - you'd also be surprised at the number of people, upon finding out that my left eye is a prosthetic, genuinely ask if I can see out of it. Uhm... it's a piece of plastic?
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Maybe they think it's some kind of bionic eye, like the terminator!
ravenshadow2013 1 points 3y ago
one of the oddest things that happens to me a lot is not even by sighted people, some blind people have accused me of "faking" being VI because I can see pretty good for having ONH. When I was younger I had better eyesight and was not treated or "raised " like a blind person, I have lived a pretty independent life and some people have "called" me out on being a fake VI person
Leckzsluthor [OP] 3 points 3y ago
That's so shitty! I was also born sighed (somewhat, my eyes were failing me from the beginning, I had dreadful eyesight to begin with) And I eventually went blind at 11 (early onset RP. So I was not "born blind" so to speak. I personally haven't faced that though. If you ever need anyone to vent or talk to, please get in touch! Best wishes!
ravenshadow2013 1 points 3y ago
much appreciated
_rj29 1 points 3y ago
Oh yah I seen your post yesterday it was actually funny 😂
Leckzsluthor [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Aw thanks!
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