Help with writing a blind protagonist.(self.Blind)
submitted by Irrelevant75
I am about to finish my current story, and have slowly been creating a new world for my next one.
When it came to deciding about the plot itself something immediately sprang to mind, as the world itself already had a perfect source of conflict for a character to resolve, so I’d just need to add one.
The plot itself isn't too interesting, same as the world, except perhaps the information that it plays in something like the middle ages with magic mixed in.
Now to the protagonist. I don't know how the idea first came up, but when it did it didn't leave my mind, why not write a blind protagonist?
I’ve never read about one, and a read a lot, so I thought why not. It would add a unique challenge when writing, both getting the perspective right, and forcing me to use magic in ways my normal character don't.
My problem is that I have no real clue how a blind person perceives the world. I tried imagining it, but came short, and decided to just ask what I would have to take into account.
If the character was born completely blind, what would be her most important means of taking in the world? How far can could she hear or smell things from?
What can cause misunderstandings simply because someone with sight wouldn't think about it at all?
How would she explore a new environment?
What should I take into account all the time when writing?
And most importantly, what am I completely missing because I lack the perspective of a blind person?
Edited to better reflect my questions and improve the quality of the post.
razzretina14 points3y ago
Write a person first. We're not our disability. And if her story arc revolves around getting sight at all, scrap it. That's super offensive to us and real blind people don't care about what things look like. Other than that, she would need to use something like a cane for mobility or have trained a guide animal. A lot of us percieve things by how big they are compared to us, how they smell, texture, sounds, and in the case of people and animals, their personalities. Read some biographies by blind people like "Touch the Top of the world" by Eric Wienmeyer and "thunderdog" and "First Lady of the Seeing Eye". And take a look at the FAQs from sites like the National Federation of the Blind, The American Council for the Blind, and Guide Dogs for the Blind. Right now, I would suggest not getting too invested in this idea. The things that come first to your mind about blind people are almost certainly very negative, untrue stereotypes and we really don't need any more of that in fiction.
Irrelevant75 [OP]6 points3y ago
Well, I didn't plan for her to gain sight, I specifically planned for her to stay blind for the entirety of story. I feel that having a blind character suddenly be able to see would be a really cheap plot, and completely invalidate having a blind character at all. And that's without taking in how you all would feel.
I'm not too sure if I'll do it though, because I'm more of a hobby writer, and english isn't my first language to begin with, so describing stuff is hard enough as it is, even with characters that can see.
How do you determine how something is bigger than you?
I'll definitly look into those sources you mentioned, and thank you for the answer.
razzretina4 points3y ago
It's good to hear that you weren't going to go with the "blind protagonist is motivated by getting vision" trope to begin with. :) That really is a common and annoying trope. I've found that, if left to my own devices, I forget to describe how characters look completely and I don't know if that's an issue with readers or not. You might want to try it out for fun anyway. :) You can get a rough idea of how big or small something is just by standing near it or touching it. Big buildings, for example, just have a presence to them and you can tell they're just really big by the way sound bounces off them and how the air moves around them. And I can usually tell which friend is taller than me and which is shorter by where their voices come from when we're talking.
Irrelevant75 [OP]2 points3y ago
> It's good to hear that you weren't going to go with the "blind protagonist is motivated by getting vision"
I wouldn't want to write such a story, and can't even begin to imagine what it would be like. I personally think someone that's been blind for their whole life would have some serious problems adapting to suddenly having vision.
It's a small possible plotline I have though, my MC somehow getting trapping by an illusion, and then escaping because she knows its not reality, though depending on the character that could be real evil, so I'll have to think about it.
Such a storyline would be possible but pretty pointless in my world. Magic works by emulating beasts, so if she's trapped in said beasts illusion she could just copy the illusion(if she manages to escape and capture it), and trap herself in a reflection of the world around her, so there would be no real struggle or conflict.
>I forget to describe how characters look completely and I don't know if that's an issue with readers or not.
I can imagine that's a very hard thing to think ofA, hell I can see and forget describing half of my characters. Even those that get an actual look are usually cut down to race, hair color(if there) and eyes.
>Big buildings, for example, just have a presence to them
That's interesting, and could probably be exaggerated by the presence of magic.
>I can usually tell which friend is taller than me and which is shorter by where their voices come from when we're talking.
That's something I would never personally think about, as I'm taller than just about anyone I know, but exactly one of the small things that make a story just a little bit better and allow for better immersion.
razzretina2 points3y ago
That sounds really interesting! I don't quite understand all of it, but it's definitely a unique kind of magic and it sounds really cool! Haha, I always think of illusions as being visual and the idea of a blind character just walking through a visual illusion without even noticing makes me laugh. :D
You already describe more than I do, ha ha! The real reason I write fanfiction so much: people already know what the characters look like so I don't have to try and describe them. :D
I'm taller than a lot of people I know, too. It's very interesting to define them by how they feel standing next to me or when I give them a friendly hug. I have a friend that I think of as very small and thin because she's so much shorter than me and has very noticeable bones when I give her a hug, but she's also a lot stronger than me.
oncenightvaler1 points3y ago
o, just read this question as I was scrolling, and to me it has a lot to do with echoes and sound shadows. I can tell how tall my friends are from gauging where their voices are coming from, and I can tell how tall the buildings are by how enclosed it feels or where the echo comes from when tapping with my cane, thus can easily tell a lower ceiling from a higher more open ceiling, though the exact height of anything is difficult to say for certain.
Using my cane for echoes is one of a few reasons why I don't want a guide dog.
Irrelevant75 [OP]1 points3y ago
Thanks for sharing.
BlindWarriorGurl4 points3y ago
Speak for yourself, I’d love to be able to see.
razzretina2 points3y ago
I should have said rather that if it were possible realistically we'd probably like to see but in fantasy it's a pretty tired and disgusting trope. We had this conversation here a couple weeks ago and basically everyone said it would be nice but only if we were also taught how to live with all that new sight we've never had.
BlindWarriorGurl2 points3y ago
Yeah, I agree on those points. You could argue that it’s fiction so it doesn’t have to be realistic, but that’s not a very good argument when you’re dealing with a situation like this.
razzretina1 points3y ago
Yeah, in most situations what people write in fiction doesn't really affect other people. But with blind people, we're so uncommon in the general population that people assume what they read about us or see on tv is true, which is a huge problem when some rando wants you to touch their face. :D
Sarinon10 points3y ago
My first thought is that 'blind' doesn't always mean everything is black. Decide what kind of blind you want your protagonist to be. Would she see fuzzy shapes and colours? Perhaps just light and dark? That's going to impact how she functions.
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> what would be her most important means of taking in the world?
It's a common misconception that blind people have better senses. It's only true in that we train our senses to help us. Most people have a primary sense they rely on for a particular task, but humans use every tool at their disposal. For example, when filling my water bottle I use a combination of sound and touch to know when to turn the tap off. Humans don't use their senses in isolation.
Most blind people have their own unconscious tricks they develop to help them perform everyday tasks, but for full efficiency we often undergo orientation and mobility training or something similar. If your protagonist doesn't have someone to train her, there may be some interesting inefficiencies in the way she does things, so factor that in.
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> How far can could she hear or smell things from?
It's hard to get specific here so I'll go with my experience. I have pretty good ears naturally, but because what I hear is so important to me, I can't actively tune out sounds like a lot of people can. In a crowded place I will struggle to hear the person talking next to me, but that isn't because my hearing is poor.
I use my hearing as my primary way of crossing roads. Traffic has certain patterns to it that you can train yourself to recognise. Sound like that is very directional and you can get a pretty good idea of how far away a vehicle is by the frequency of the sound, but that took years of effort to perfect and I still don't always get it right.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is, how good your protagonists' senses are depends a lot on how much effort she has put into training them.
>What can cause misunderstandings simply because someone with sight wouldn't think about it at all?
Facial expressions, bumping into people, shaking hands, not recognising someone you should be able to recognise. Most blind people wouldn't look blind if you took away their cane/dog. I sometimes get whispers about how I don't look blind at all. Blindness doesn't have a 'look', so your protagonist might encounter some of the same ignorance that we deal with. If your society is feudal or patriarchal she might encounter a lot of ablest thinking - you can't be doing that, you're blind/a girl/a blind girl!
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>How would she explore a new environment?
Depends a lot on her character. Would she ask for help? How important is it to her that she appears normal? If I'm going to a new venue I usually turn up early and scout the place, touch everything, walk the perimeter so I know where my hazards are. I don't particularly like doing this in front of people.
These days I'm more secure in my disability and will typically just ask someone if they could show me to the bathroom, etc.
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>What should I take into account all the time when writing?
Consistency. She's not just blind when it suits the plot, she is blind all the time in every situation. I would recommend keeping notes on little nuances as you would with any POV character and check each scene against those notes.
A good example of this done poorly is when a protagonist's power is established as x. If they suddenly display x2 powers to defeat the BBEG without having undergone some training or transformation, the victory feels cheap to the audience. But if they are threatened by a situation we know they should be able to overcome and they just flop over like a wet tissue, it feels frustrating.
If you establish that your protagonist can safely cross a busy street 90% of the time, and then have her get run down by a horse when she's being chased, that feels believable. But if she just gets run down out of nowhere because the plot requires it, that's going to feel pretty cheap. I don't think I'm explaining this too well, but I hope you get the gist.
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>And most importantly, what am I completely missing because I lack the perspective of a blind person?
Good question! How doe she know who someone is? Is she good at voice recognition, and if so how long does she need to spend with someone to get their voice down?
How does she choose her clothing if clothing is important? I went through a phase of wearing the same outfit day in and day out when I was 12 because I had been made fun of for my terrible fashion sense.
How will she navigate crowds of people? If she lives in an era where a cane isn't recognised, people wouldn't move out of her way.
Her friends will often forget and might, for example, point and say 'look at that' only to realise a moment later. Seriously, like, my mum still does this after 28 years.
Unless your society is super enlightened, people will look consciously and unconsciously either pity her or even revile her. People these days sometimes try to take advantage of me by, for example, cutting queue in front of me and in a couple rare cases trying to steal things from me. I'm certain that I've been taken advantage of without even realising it.
My boyfriend regularly plays tricks on me or jokes about me and sometimes it's funny, and sometimes it's downright depressing and that's someone who loves and respects me.
Bottom line here is that, although her disability doesn't define her as a character, it will define a lot of how she interacts with her world and her people. In my opinion the most important thing to get right about a blind protagonist is to strike a nice balance between superpower blindness (Daredevil) and being a completely helpless damsel (every other media interpretation of blindness). If you can manage that you're doing pretty fucking good.
Good luck!
Irrelevant75 [OP]3 points3y ago
First of all, thanks for the extensive reply.
>what kind of blind you want your protagonist to be
I'd make her completely blind, something like being born with extensive damage to her optic nerve, rendering her completely blind, though she has some innate sense for the souls around her, due to the location of her birth, so she'd know when she's near living beings.
>when filling my water bottle I use a combination of sound and touch to know when to turn the tap off.
That really helps, because I do the same when its dark but didnt think about making a connection to, so coming up with stuff like that shouldn't be as hard as I imagined.
>If your society is feudal or patriarchal she might encounter a lot of ablest thinking - you can't be doing that, you're blind/a girl/a blind girl!
I hate patriarchal societies in fiction with magic, because it makes no actual sense for people to treat someone differently for being weaker physically when that same someone could set you on fire, though general discrimination against blind people would certainly be something that would probably happen far more often than in our own society.
>Most blind people have their own unconscious tricks they develop to help them perform everyday tasks
Could you name some of these tricks?
>Facial expressions, bumping into people, shaking hands, not recognising someone you should be able to recognise.
Those help immensely, I didnt think of a single one of those points, thanks.
>Would she ask for help?
Probably, she's pretty shameless, and still a child at the start, and because her village is so small she doesn't actually know many people of her age, so she has a skewed perception of normal.
>Consistency
Yeah, that's really important, but also the hardest to do, though my characters themselves are among the most consistent things in the world, though sometimes their magic reserves conveniently conform for the plot, something that won't be possible in my new world by the nature of its magic.
>How will she navigate crowds of people?
Badly, she's from a small village and will only visit a big city later in the plot, so she will be completely out of her depth at first. It won't get better, as the society will be pretty backwards in this regard too.
There's also the small detail that sensing that many human souls will completely overload her soul-sense.
>Bottom line here is that, although her disability doesn't define her as a character, it will define a lot of how she interacts with her world and her people.
Yeah, I think that will be a hard line to walk.
>Good luck!
Thanks.
noeinan3 points3y ago
Okay, so I am sighted (though low vision) and autistic and I had a great idea suddenly and just wanted to share!
A magic society that depends on visualization (mind's eye) to do magic. Blind folks are assumed to not be able to because of lack of sight, but some people can continue after losing sight if they were already trained.
A blind woman ends up talented in magic and creates a new way of doing magic! (Let's say by "feel" or other method.)
An autistic person comes to her asking to be her disciple, because they are from a mage family but, like many autistics, have aphantasia (no mind's eye, can't visualize).
Disabled solidarity!
Extension-Meaning5441 points1y ago
updates?? hows it going
noeinan1 points1y ago
Tbh I'm involved in other projects, but this idea is up for grabs to anyone who wants to try!
Irrelevant75 [OP]1 points3y ago
That's a great idea, feel free to write it. I myself only started writing because I had a story flying through my head for ages, and wanted to bring it to paper.
Sarinon1 points3y ago
No problem! Keep in mind that I write only from my own limited experience. Grains of salt and all that.
Little tricks I use ... it's hard to think of them on the spot because I developed them so early on and they're just second nature. Lesse ...
I walk with my left arm slightly extended because I find walking in a straight line impossible. My hand will contact any wall before my shoulder will which lets me avoid painful collisions.
The water bottle trick works well for other objects. Where sound doesn't work, I slip a finger on the inside of a surface to where I want to fill. Somewhat dangerous when making tea but better than spilling boiling water all over the bench.
When eating I use my knife to feel out the food before attempting to get it on my fork. Doesn't work so well with peas or mushy food.
I find the entrance to buildings by following the sound of the biggest crowd of people and/or looking for a bright sign if there is one. It's not fail proof but usually works. One time I ended up at a rally for something because they were gathering outside a local mall.
I wash dishes by feel. I actually get them cleaner than most because a lot of grime and grease can't be seen, only felt.
When going somewhere new I look it up on maps and count the number of turns. For example, 3L, 2R, 6L means I turn left at the 3rd street, right at the second and left again at the 6th. I also have landmarks, like I couldn't tell you a street name or address to save my life, but I can tell you to turn left at the big IKEA sign. Wouldn't work for your protagonist but she might navigate by sound or scent landmarks, like wind chimes or a bakery.
Also worth noting, I'm very clean and tidy by necessity. I can tell you where everything is in my home because it's always in the same place.
Hopefully that's helpful.
Irrelevant75 [OP]1 points3y ago
Thanks for those, it'll be very helpful, especially because I'll be able to get some things a blind person in a more medival society.
jouleheretolearn4 points3y ago
Check out Steffanie Holmes' Nevermore Mystery series. Fair warning it is a cozy mystery meets reverse harem. The reason I recommend it is the main character is going blind, and the author herself went blind. It's a good series with a great and well developed main character, and no pun intended didn't see it coming when about 2 chapters in we come to realize the main character is going blind.
I'd recommend talking more with other blind writers, and doing some research on how it affects day to day living, etc before writing a protagonist who is blind.
Irrelevant75 [OP]2 points3y ago
I wouldn't really start writing before next january, as my writing is really slow in the second half of a year, so I have ample time.
jouleheretolearn2 points3y ago
Cool, then it's good research time :)
Irrelevant75 [OP]3 points3y ago
Yeah it is, though I'll have to finish version four of the world first.
jouleheretolearn2 points3y ago
Cool
Californiaolivia4 points3y ago
Oh yeah this you need first experience or close. Um I can tell you all I know, but I suggest watching Molly Burke or Tommy Edison on YouTube. I love both of them. I really think you are not ready to write about that specific ability of a human.
Olivia💙
Irrelevant75 [OP]3 points3y ago
I'll look into it, and I'm not really sure if I'm capable of writing something this challenging anyways, I'm no professional writer by any means.
I'll be sure to ask any questions that come up once I informed myself a little more.
Californiaolivia1 points3y ago
Okay.
ilivetofly3 points3y ago
https://www.rnib.org.uk/young-people may be helpful for you. You can also literally type into youtube 'how do blind people X' and you will likely find a video made by someone either blind or visually impaired on how they do stuff. We have some amazing VI youtubers out there who will show you exactly how they do seemingly difficult tasks.
Some are really quite blunt. If you are looking to learn there are not many stupid questions.
Irrelevant75 [OP]2 points3y ago
Thanks.
rkingett3 points3y ago
As a blind author, I do beta reading and consulting. My new short stories feature blind protagonists. Check the link below.
http://www.blindjournalist.wordpress.com/writings
Irrelevant75 [OP]2 points3y ago
I'll make sure to contact you if the story ever goes anywhere serious. Thanks for the answer.
oncenightvaler2 points3y ago
I think the most important thing to take into account when writing a blind character would be describing things from the point of view of the other four senses. To me, sound and touch are more important than taste and smell, but a magical medieval land might function differently.
I like to explain how I perceive the world through a few analogies. If you've ever read the Blind Men and the Elephant poem by John G Saxe, that's the way I put together new information, by taking the individual elements and putting it together as a whole instead of seeing everything all at once.
As to common prejudices there's one that is unique to the twenty-first century context the "you're so brave" idea that blind people are exceptional for doing what sighted people do on a daily basis, whereas in your medieval world the default thought would probably be that the blind woman would be begging on corners and if I were writing that's where the character's journey would start off and then have her gradually realize her own worth and talents.
Irrelevant75 [OP]3 points3y ago
>I think the most important thing to take into account when writing a blind character would be describing things from the point of view of the other four senses.
Yeah, that's part of the idea, forcing myself to do something really different from before. I'd probably use sound as the most important sense, as you wouldn't really want to smell stuff in the middle ages and taste and touch are kinda hard to do at a distance.
> the blind woman would be begging on corners
My character would be born in a small, completely isolated village, so starting as a beggar wouldn't be feasable.
All my characters are mages or something similar, so her character arc would revolve around working around the limitations her blindness offers.
Stockholm-April2 points3y ago
Hi! I really am not the one to tell you how I do chores and stuff. I was blind from birth and am very unaware of my routines. But I wanted to say this: you’re really taking on a challenge, and you’re doing that with grace! Your character seems super genuine, and we need more blind characters, that are just blind for the sake of being blind, not for funny plots. We need authors like you!
Irrelevant75 [OP]2 points3y ago
I do hope I'll manage without too many faults, but am looking forwards to it.
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