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submitted by chrystalalex
Have you updated and if so, what are your thoughts?
Nighthawk321 6 points 3y ago
Yes. It's a buggy mess so far, but I love it. 13.1 is coming out the 24th, which is suppose to add features in Shortcuts and have bug fixes. Lots of cool new accessibility changes.
IronDominion 3 points 3y ago
Yes. I’ve found a few already. VoiceOver and Voice Control do not like each other. But other than that and a few other minor things that are expected on a new release, it’s pretty good from my preliminary testing. Dark Mode is a great feature if you have enough vision to not need voiceover but still need good contrast.
chrystalalex [OP] 2 points 3y ago
Yeah I heard it is extremely buggy. Can't wait to see all the changes though. That voice control feature sounds pretty cool.
AllHarlowsEve 2 points 3y ago
It's not horrible like I think 10? was, where it disabled VO randomly on older devices, but it's definitely a buggy mess.
BSI is a fuck now, not reliably working even when I turn it on and let it hold for a second to figure its shit out. There's no save option that my cursor can find to save the braille table for regular American English Braille so I'm stuck with UEB which I don't know, and I had to reset my settings to use any voice that I could understand. The sounds menu also goes into handset for some reason so disabling specific sounds that VO makes, while neat, is annoying as hell.
There's also a scroll bar that I haven't looked into how to remove but it's *literally* in the worst possible place, the message bar on several apps and the add comment button on Reddit are both covered by it.
It also jettisoned my settings app into the next page but didn't fill the empty slot with anything which is fun. It looked like the app disappeared until I purposefully swiped through my second page where it was hidden after a new app for some reason.
There's several neat things, but the frustration of not being able to understand my phone until I reset my settings outweighs it for me.
BSI is a fuck now, not reliably working even when I turn it on and let it hold for a second to figure its shit out. There's no save option that my cursor can find to save the braille table for regular American English Braille so I'm stuck with UEB which I don't know, and I had to reset my settings to use any voice that I could understand. The sounds menu also goes into handset for some reason so disabling specific sounds that VO makes, while neat, is annoying as hell.
There's also a scroll bar that I haven't looked into how to remove but it's *literally* in the worst possible place, the message bar on several apps and the add comment button on Reddit are both covered by it.
It also jettisoned my settings app into the next page but didn't fill the empty slot with anything which is fun. It looked like the app disappeared until I purposefully swiped through my second page where it was hidden after a new app for some reason.
There's several neat things, but the frustration of not being able to understand my phone until I reset my settings outweighs it for me.
CloudyBeep 2 points 3y ago
You really should learn UEB because it's been the official braille code for America for almost four years now.
When I was using the beta, I thought the scroll bar was a bug as well, but actually it's a feature that it doesn't seem possible to remove.
When I was using the beta, I thought the scroll bar was a bug as well, but actually it's a feature that it doesn't seem possible to remove.
AllHarlowsEve 2 points 3y ago
If my state wasn't awful, I would have learned UEB a long time ago. To make a long story short, I was told that I could do a Hadley course, but that I wouldn't be able to get any supplies other than a slate and stylus until I finished multiple courses in Braille.
Unsurprisingly, the dude that told me that is viewed as a huge douche in his office, but he also is somehow more competant than the person I had before that took literally no notes about me for my file. My other disabilities are extremely relevant to my ability to work and learn, but... not to her, apparently.
Unsurprisingly, the dude that told me that is viewed as a huge douche in his office, but he also is somehow more competant than the person I had before that took literally no notes about me for my file. My other disabilities are extremely relevant to my ability to work and learn, but... not to her, apparently.
CloudyBeep 1 points 3y ago
If you have a braille display, I encourage you to check out this page. You will probably find the documents under the heading "UEB Resources" the most useful. http://www.brailleauthority.org/ueb.html If you have any questions that arise about it from reading these documents, you can ask me if you like, because I'm very familiar with it.
chrystalalex [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Interesting. I never had that problem with ios 10. I haven't enjoyed Ios 12 much though, due to annoying little bugs, so I'm looking forward to being able to safely update to 13.
chrystalalex [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Yeah. I've heard a lot of folks have had that issue with bsi resetting to Ueb. Even though that's what I use, I'm sure as hell glad I didn't just jump in this time. Rather disgraceful of Apple to let it drop I think.
ukifrit 1 points 3y ago
I had to ask for help cus wen the update finished, voiceover wouldn't star anymore. Appart from that and some minor bugs, this new version seems pretty good
vicsharkey 1 points 3y ago
Smart invert and dark mode are a mess for me. Some apps I have to turn off smart invert, other apps I have turn dark mode off, other apps I have to turn both off, other apps I can leave both on. Finally there are apps that just won’t invert at all now. Hopefully apps will start updating.
razzretina 1 points 3y ago
Please god tell me they've fixed the cursor! It's been a freaking nightmare since 12.1 and I can't stand it!
re: UEB
Speaking as someone who started with EBAE and didn't get any training on the switch to UEB, it's really easy to learn. And if you were ever a print reader, it's awesome. It gives braille the same kind of utility that modern print has and takes out basically everything that was confusing about EBAE. I can definitely understand why some people don't want to bother with it, but it's not this gigantic nightmare change that everyone makes it out to be.
re: UEB
Speaking as someone who started with EBAE and didn't get any training on the switch to UEB, it's really easy to learn. And if you were ever a print reader, it's awesome. It gives braille the same kind of utility that modern print has and takes out basically everything that was confusing about EBAE. I can definitely understand why some people don't want to bother with it, but it's not this gigantic nightmare change that everyone makes it out to be.
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rkingett 1 points 3y ago
I've updates, and, while there are lots of bugs in this release, I think it will be worth the upgrade eventually. I'd wait until 13.2, honestly. Skip 13.1 completely as well.
modulus 1 points 3y ago
Pretty big bug is not letting me change the voice. Other than that, haven't noticed a lot of changes, though admittedly I don't use the phone a lot. I'd much rather use a computer.
I hear the new keyboard system is nice, but haven't tried it yet. Anyone has opinions on that?
I hear the new keyboard system is nice, but haven't tried it yet. Anyone has opinions on that?
AllHarlowsEve 2 points 3y ago
If you can use iTunes to turn back on VO after, resetting my settings fixed that for me. I could only use Samantha, Karen, Alex, and other voices that bugged into just being them.
modulus 1 points 3y ago
Don't really feel like losing settings, so I might wait for it to be fixed. Unfortunately I only got one voice to choose from now, and it isn't one I particularly like.
bscross32 1 points 3y ago
I was on the beta for 3 weeks or so before it came out and I love it.
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