Hey everyone. I was wondering how many people here have learned braille, and what places would you most like to see more of it?
I've always thought it would be fun to go to new restaurants and create braille menus for them, but that made me wonder what other everyday places would be a lot more accessible if braille was more widespread.
Also, for people who grew up visually impaired/blind, what was school like? Especially nowadays. We have more technology but it's not perfect. Is it common to get paperwork littered with errors or to get it late even though you're supposed to receive it at the same time as everyone else? I'm sure this probably varies a lot depending on where people live.
Thanks!
sadieragbaby3 points3y ago
Hello. I think that braille menus in restaurants is a great idea. It is frustrating having to rely on others to read the menu for me, as I feel I can’t take as much time as I would like to choose what I am going to eat. About school, I found it very frustrating. I used to get things Brailled and I always received the work after the rest of the class. I also found it hard doing tests and reading novels. I often had to get extensions on assignments. When I was at school first I used a talking typewriter, then the Eureka and then the Aria. I think my life would have been a lot easier if Apple products were out back then.
Eisah [OP]1 points3y ago
So sorry you had to go through that. I hope things are better today, but I have heard that there simply aren't transcribers available in a lot of places and that machine translation is used a lot, and that some teachers aren't very organized about getting things ready for all of their students...
I'm glad there's a lot more technology available now.
FrankenGretchen1 points3y ago
I remember Eureka. I couldn't afford one but I watched my friend do amazing stuff with his. Back in the day, it was the bomb.
mehgcap2 points3y ago
I type in braille on my iPhone, because it's far faster than the on-screen keyboard. I grew up using braille, and currently know contracted, UEB, Nemeth, some English computer braille, and Spanish computer braille.
In school, braille was essential for math, labeling diagrams, quickly finding how something was spelled, and reading or reviewing text while a teacher was speaking. These days, braille is useful for coding or reading in loud environments, but not essential. Where I still love braille is reading lines for plays, and reading set lists, notes, chords, and the like when I play music with a group. I have a 26x9 braille slate that fits 7x5 notebooks perfectly. I braille out all the notes I need, then keep that notebook with me on stage.
Eisah [OP]1 points3y ago
As you got higher in math was it difficult to find any books? My brother happens to be a mathematician, and I've been wondering if transcribing some of his books would be worth it. I don't know how accessible things like "Calculus 3" are when you need braille for it.
mehgcap1 points3y ago
I can't really answer that with any confidence. My school, then college, did all the work of obtaining braille material for me. I know there were times when books were late, due to the delay in getting them brailled, but I don't know how hard or expensive the books were to buy.
sadieragbaby2 points3y ago
I agree with the price of braille displays. I am very happy with my bluetooth keyboard. Also, the Perkins Brailler is big and heavy and who would want to carry that around? Also I agree with the fact that books in braille take up so much room and take longer to read.
Eisah [OP]1 points3y ago
Yeah, hopefully technology keeps improving. Which is always seems to at a pretty good rate, but it can be hard waiting!
Sarinon2 points3y ago
I learnt numbers when I started uni so I could operate the elevator. Other than that I never really needed it.
I do think menus would be great - I can't order from anywhere that doesn't have a paper menu.
Also prices in shops, particularly in grocery stores would be awesome.
Eisah [OP]1 points3y ago
I never thought of that one! I doubt it would even be that hard to make price tags with braille, someone would just have to do it and get the store to use it.
oncenightvaler1 points3y ago
a) I would love Braille street signs, though that's probably asking too much.
b) I grew up and learned Braille it took me two years to learn contracted Braille and one year to learn Alphabet Braille so I did not know Braille fully until age ten. I read Braille books all the time, although by age twelve I was writing most of my assignments on my laptop the school provided. I still prefer writing out any research notes or any notes I am making on books in Braille on my Brailler, so call me old fashioned.
Eisah [OP]1 points3y ago
It's good to hear that a laptop was provided.
Street signs would be interesting. Since they're usually already placed high, I guess the braille could be somewhere at the bottom or something.
BlindGuyNW1 points3y ago
I learned Braille as a kid, and for the longest time afterwards decided I wasn’t really likely to use it, because speech was so much nicer and so forth. I am changing that view now, though, because I had an organization pay for a display for me, no questions asked. I definitely want to see more of it in general, because I have come to appreciate the aesthetics of being able to actually feel the text, particularly as I am trying to learn foreign languages, which is a bit of a bumpy road with just speech.  As for where, restaurant menus are obvious, but I also do want to see more braille books, because it would be nice to have the same kind of experience as sighted people, basically. I know there is no particular reason I can’t use electronic versions, and I do, but it just isn’t the same. :-) Also, as a final note, you can’t read to friends and loved ones using audiobooks, or electronica ones. :-) I’ve come to appreciate Braille for that reason alone lately.
Eisah [OP]1 points3y ago
It's great to hear an organization helped you out! I know they can be expensive. I have heard people say, "Oh, but you can just listen to audio books now" in response, and it always makes me wonder if they would only want to be able to read books through audio books. It's wonderful that they're an option, but I know I rarely even use them, I like to have the text in front of me. It does seem inconvenient if you only have the one option.
Laser_Lens_41 points3y ago
I learned Braille throughout most of my public schooling and I got right up to some basic computer Braille and nemeth code. Nowadays I mostly use it to read the numbers on lifts, and even then I only do it when I can't find the embossed print numbers. When I learned braille I didn't actually need it all that much but now I'm fully blind. I still don't really like it and I'm very very glad that speech synthesizers and screen readers are as good as they are now. I'd really rather not go back to Braille.
Currently there are only really two situations where I feel like I would genuinely benefit from Braille. The first is with restaurant menus, but I usually try to find an online menu and if they don't have it online menu I'm willing to put up with someone reading it to me if the restaurant is good. The second is if I were reading lines from a script for some sort of recording but I can get around this with a little bit of memorization and some minor editing in iMovie or audacity.
Eisah [OP]1 points3y ago
Thanks.
Do you dislike reading braille, or is it because it isn't available often enough on a day to day basis for you to want to bother with it?
Laser_Lens_41 points3y ago
Both. Braille isn't very common outside of government or public buildings and the equipment to read and write Braille is monstrously expensive. It would be cool to keep my Braille skills up to date but I'm not paying $5,000 for an electromechanical Braille display that I have to wash my hands before every single use because of how fragile it is and I'm definitely not going back to an entire bookshelf being filled with one book and a Perkins brailler sitting on my desk.
there are also a lot of ancillary characters, like capitalization and superscript and subscript indicators that don't really exist in print which make it a lot slower to read.
I'm only one side of the coin though. I definitely have a bias towards print since that's what I use for most of my life. I also keep most speech synthesizers at or near their maximum speed trade so I tend to want information rather quickly.
Eisah [OP]1 points3y ago
Yeah, I see. I'm looking forward to braille being available as readily and conveniently as other e-books. I know it's in the works, I think it'll be great when braille books can just be one volume because space no longer matters.
I know it's in the works and I believe I heard something about new types of braille e-readers coming out soon, but it'll be great when it can be widespread and the prices are better.
Our mission is to provide everyone with access to large- scale community websites for the good of humanity. Without ads, without tracking, without greed.