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Why is blindface still a thing? Apple's TV show "See" (self.Blind)
submitted by wyongriver
Sighted people playacting badly at being blind. By Apple? Do Apple have the same approach with other minorities?
kody97 16 points 3y ago
I'm blind and I don't have a problem with sighted people playing blind people. At least that's my opinion. They're actors they play characters that's their whole purpose. But that's just my opinion you can agree or disagree I don't mind have a great day.
wyongriver [OP] 3 points 3y ago
I can respect that opinion. My point is that we should own our identity. Blind children deserve blind role models. Society should be at a stage where we can accept blind actors. Just like society accepted that people of colour can act their own identity and should not have to suffer blackface impersonations.

Please don’t think that I’m arguing. I just think it’s time for equality - that’s all.
CloudyBeep 2 points 3y ago
Apple did try using blind actors, but they said that the actors they found were underqualified, and even when provided with extra training many were still not acting at the level as the sighted actors they hired. Apple has also said that they intend to give blind actors larger roles if the series has a second season. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I saw this, but I did read this somewhere and hopefully someone else can provide a source.
wyongriver [OP] 2 points 3y ago
I remember reading that too. I can accept that its difficult finding blind actors. I can accept that - because there are more sighted actors than blind actors - there will be more depth of talent in the pool of sighted actors. However, I have trouble accepting that - all over the world - there isn't blind qualified actors they can use.

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I think that Apple had the perfect opportunity to role model behaviour here, and I think they still can.
CloudyBeep 1 points 3y ago
https://www.nfb.org/blog/treading-carefully-new-blindness-drama-see I don't think there are many blind actors. How many blind actors do you know? I know of very few, and the few that I know of generally do acting more as a hobby than a job. How many parents do you think would pay for their blind child to go to acting school? But I do hope that blind children interested in acting and the adults around them will be less inclined to dismiss acting as a possible career because of this show and the other attempts this year (I know of at least two or three others) to get blind people on screen.
skycaster15 12 points 3y ago
The only problem I have with blind people being portrayed in movies and TV is they always use horrible stereotypes like wearing dark glasses, face touching, blind means no vision at all, and needing constant help.
wyongriver [OP] 3 points 3y ago
This is why - like other groups - we need to own our identity. Society has moved on from horrible racial stereotyping (black face). We should claim our identity as well.
skycaster15 2 points 3y ago
I agree!
dancingpianofairy 1 points 3y ago
Do you feel they did that in this show?
skycaster15 1 points 3y ago
I haven't seen it. I dont use apple stuff.
TwistyTurret 8 points 3y ago
The show This Is Us has a blind character played by a blind actor.
wyongriver [OP] 2 points 3y ago
That’s awesome!
KillerLag 8 points 3y ago
Unfortunately, it is quite common in that industry. One thing they say is "Well, there isn't anyone who is blind who can act well enough". But almost no studio is willing to hire someone with vision loss without any acting experience.... but how can someone get experience if they don't get hired?
CloudyBeep 3 points 3y ago
Blind children should be encouraged to act in school plays and other small roles so that they eventually build experience and have the possibility of going to acting school should they choose to. Blind people can also play sighted roles unless they involve things like driving.
kody97 3 points 3y ago
Thank you for your comment. You make a lot of good points. I'll have to think about this for a while. Thank you for starting this conversation. I actually think that you may have changed my mind.
wyongriver [OP] 3 points 3y ago
Your comment means so much to me! I've been talking for a while on the Big 4 (employment, transportation, exclusion from financial services, and relationships). I feel it is lonely sometimes. That's because many blind people are highly positive and find it easier to pretend they are equal citizens. That's totally fair! If a blind person isn't positive, it is much harder to overcome the obstacles. But its time for our community to be real and start busting down the barriers.

It's been lonely, but your comment makes me want to stay positively engaged! I sincerely thank you for your thanks!
devinprater 2 points 3y ago
Indeed it is. I've been talking about greater accessibility, and screen readers and operating systems becoming more than just dumb (rudimentary) object readers for a while now, but no one cares because Android and Windows are good enough and why change and if we beg, Microsoft will come to our houses and delete JAWS and NVDA, hyuck hyuck. No one else wants to try and I just wish I could be a normal blind person who doesn't yearn for better access, who doesn't have a fire in the heart that demands for better from these huge corporations..
AndAdapt 1 points 3y ago
Exclusion from financial services. Can you expand on this, I am blind and have no problem working with my bank
wyongriver [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Its good news to hear your bank looks after you well! Where in the world do you live?

In my research, I've found the main sticking points are in financial services is insurance (health, income, life, travel, and business), retirement products, and access to loans. I'm more familiar with Australia, as that's where I live. It may differ in other parts of the world.

Within Australia, if you can get it, loadings on life insurance go up to 100%. Income and TPD often are unavailable or are issued with so many exclusions that the policy becomes junk. Business insurance limitations place further boundaries on employment options.

I know of blind people travelling outside of Australia without proper travel insurance. I know that super funds (retirement and insurance products) almost always exclude disabled from protection (government workers and some corporates exempted). I know of denials of claims for eye surgery and glasses on private health insurance even when the person has the right level of coverage.

These things happen because it is legal in Australia to discriminate in financial services (DDA Section 46), or its covered by 'self regulation'. Even for when it is not illegal to discriminate, Australian banks are notoriously nefarious - even with mainstream customers.

It may differ where you live though.
AndAdapt 2 points 3y ago
I live in the UK, it appears i am very fortunate. I have good access to financial services and have never been charged more on life or travel insurance.

I once crossed a desert solo and ended some pretty intensive coverage, they were not allowed to charge me more due to my blindness. I personally thought they were taking a big risk on that one!

It’s a shame there appears to be such a large difference between countries
rkingett 2 points 3y ago
First off, there are blind actors playing the very characters you are describing. More than 5 blind actors is huge, especially the level of discrimination we face on a daily basis. As for the other points,

well, a feature will be coming out by me in a few days. $1 or just watch this space. Or, well, watch my Twitter.

While blind face is certainly a problem, your pointing at the wrong modern show buddy.
kody97 2 points 3y ago
I do agree with you on what you call the big four. Those are issues that I see blind people having trouble with including myself. No need to thank me.
stirs 2 points 3y ago
Blindface lol
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DrillInstructorJan 1 points 3y ago
Oh man, please let's not make this into another strand of identity politics.

I don't want or need a special identity based on the fact I have to deal with this situation. I want an identity based on things I choose, positive things, not negative things I'm forced into. I've never been one of these people who views being blind as part of my identity. I work as hard as I can to keep my identity above it.

I don't mind actors playing blind if they do it well. I think you could tell when they made "In The Dark" that they had a lot of consultancy and I did not in general object to it. There were moments though. When she felt the guy's face, which was required for a point in the story, they at least had her resist doing it, but she did it. It was still lazy, she could have identified the guy by finding something she knew on him. She also did a lot of unrealistic groping to find her way around her own home.

Something else is that not every blind character has to represent us personally. As long as the character is a person who could reasonably exist it is fine. There are lots of people who were born blind who feel totally different about it to the way I feel, and I would not complain about that point of view being represented on TV. I mean, I'd complain about that point of view, those people are crazy, but people like that do exist and I'm not going to insist that every single blind person on TV is exactly like me.
CosmicBunny97 1 points 3y ago
isn’t that the whole purpose of acting? Plus they use big names like Jason Momoa to get people to watch the shows.
wyongriver [OP] 2 points 3y ago
People of colour do not accept blackface as legit acting. I think - as a community - we need to see ourselves as equals and also reject blind face. Blind people are good enough to portray blind people.
dancingpianofairy 0 points 3y ago
>playacting badly at being blind

What specifically do you think is bad about it in this show?
oldpeopl 1 points 3y ago
They clearly haven’t watched the show judging by their other comments.
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