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Quick question for the Visually Impaired (self.Blind)
submitted by UnfortunateOkibum
How do you know what you’re holding in your hands. Say, for example, you reach in a cabinet and grab a can of soup. How do you know what kind of soup you’re holding? By scanning a barcode? The reason I ask is because I’m currently an Electrical and Computer Engineering student and want to develop something that would help your community out.
Envrin 6 points 3y ago
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You're an electrical engineer? What exactly are you thinking / planning? Are you capable of some hardware / circuit work?

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Myself, I'm a highly skilled and innovative software engineer, and have been blind a little over 3 years. I have an idea in mind that could potentially be huge, both monetaraily and help millions of folks around the globe. I can do the software side, but it would require some hardware / circuit work as well. Maybe we can work together.

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Don't want to give out too much detail, but think something along the lines of this:

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Multiply the functionality by 100, and think about one sixth of the price. No idea how those guys get away with selling that Orcam MyEye thing for $5800, but that's ridiculous. The technology is available to make something FAR better, and sell it for about one sixth of the price, hence opening up the Asian and African markets as well.

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Ping me if interested.
UnfortunateOkibum [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Hey man, I need you to email me. I need help writing a program. I can code in C, C++, Java, JavaScript and HTML5. I want to do it in C though because that is the most common engineering language (correct me if I’m wrong). Don’t think we’ll need any machine level coding.
CloudyBeep 1 points 3y ago
I think that part of the price is the functions that it has, where licenses need to be paid for things like OCR.
UnfortunateOkibum [OP] 1 points 3y ago
How do I ping you? You can email me charlesjfaulkner@gmail.com. Something like the orcam is what I have in mind but I think I can build it for less than 200$
Envrin 5 points 3y ago
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For soup? I shake it. Chicken noodle is very liquidified, and I can hear that. Mushroom and tomoato are more solidified / gelatin, and with them I just grab a can and it's a surprise each time I have soup, lol.

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For things like spcies though, I use a "Pen Friend" at:

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It's the shape of a pen, but has voice recording / play back functionality. It comes with sheets of QR code stickers, you put the stickers on whatever you want, then with the Pen Friend you can record a voice description to each QR code. When you want to know what something is, you touch the pen to the QR code, and it will repeat whatever voice description you recorded to that QR code.

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What we did is you know those little round stoppers you put on the edges of the inside of cupboards, so they don't slam shut? Round little gel type stoppers that stick to the inside of cupboards? We bought a bunch of those, and put the QR code stickers on them so they can be transplanted when a new spice bottle is bought, and put them on the top of each spice. When I'm cooking, I just go through the spice rack with the pen tapping the top of each spice bottle, and it will tell me what message I recorded for that bottle -- Thyme, Paprkia, Chilli Flakes, Garlic Powder, etc.

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Hope that helps.
DrillInstructorJan 3 points 3y ago
Aerosols are my nemesis. I would prefer to avoid going out smelling bewitchingly of Eau de Furniture Polish.
codeplaysleep 3 points 3y ago
I have enough vision that I can see what I'm holding when I get it out of the cabinet, but I can't see it in the dark cabinet, so in order to avoid wasting a lot of time taking things in and out, I just put things in designated places.

You may find this interesting: $1
ashleyd99 2 points 3y ago
I have enough vision to see colors of labels and usually end up grabbing my probe to reed the labels
If you are planing on creating something for this use as a suggestion maybe challenge yourself to make the best quality items for a reasonable price
It seams that every decant reeder it aid out there costs thousands of dollars and for people getting seven hundred a month to live off of SSI splurging on something like that just isn’t practical
Just an idea and thank you for thinking of the blind community
UnfortunateOkibum [OP] 2 points 3y ago
Everything I’m designing will be affordable to any blind person, even if they were broke, I would give it out free. I know I could build vision glasses for dirt cheap, ~97% cheaper . The Braille book I’m thinking about building would be much much cheaper than anything out there now. From what I’ve seen, Braille books and vision glasses cost thousands. I think I can get the job done for around ~200$....maybe
ashleyd99 1 points 3y ago
That’s amazing that your already thinking about the price it really is crazy the money we have to spend to do everyday tasks
UnfortunateOkibum [OP] 2 points 3y ago
It wouldn’t be worth it to me if I made something awesome to help people and the people I’m trying to help can’t even afford it. Defeats the whole purpose
ashleyd99 1 points 3y ago
Your amazing I can’t wait to hear more about your products as there maid
AmAsabat 2 points 3y ago
All my groceries are labels when I put them away with a simple magnetic strip that has the braille on it. Also I'm very organised when it comes to cupboard space with a raised line delineating each section and the age of the shelf labelled. I buy most 'store cupboard provisions' in bulk once a month so have a day labelling and sorting my food. If I need to check Seeing AI is a great app and I have an iPhone on the kitchen work surface to do this.
OutWestTexas 2 points 3y ago
Generally, I keep my cans in a certain order so I know which is where but if I am not sure I use Seeing AI.
bradley22 2 points 3y ago
I use Seeing AI.

I’d recommend trying it before making something new.
UnfortunateOkibum [OP] 1 points 3y ago
That being said, do you still use Braille to read or do you find yourself using the app more often than not? Is Braille still as relevant with today’s tech as it was 20 years ago?
Envrin 2 points 3y ago
Can only speak for myself, I've been blind a little over 3 years now, and not once have I ever thought to myself, "gee, I sure wish I knew brail". We have ebooks with screen readers nowadays, so don't know why I would want to learn brail.

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I know CNIB (Canadian National Institute for the Blind) has started a huge campaign to push for more brail adaoption, as they say it's quicker to read than screen readers, but I don't get that. Maybe most people don't have their screen readers at 100% speed? I don't know, but my arm would probably fall off if I tried to read brail as quickly as my screen reader talks, lol
dmazzoni 2 points 3y ago
Braille is still critically important for many blind professionals and for literacy. If you only hear words spoken and never see them spelled, it's really hard to learn spelling and grammar.

But yes, a lot of everyday challenges for blind people can now be solved without Braille.
bradley22 1 points 3y ago
I personally don't use braille to read.


Please try Seeing AI before making anything.


After all: you don't want to make something that's already been done before do you?
UnfortunateOkibum [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Very true. Def don’t want to waste time. I checked out that app and it’s impressive. Sorry for my ignorance but is Braille still relevant to the community as a whole or is it more of “dying art”?
Tsuchikuzurezawa 2 points 3y ago
The thing is, I guess you are asking legally blind people. I can still see somewhat, and I am not fully blind. I'm sure Braille is extremely useful for those who do use it, but for those who have an alternative, it is a lot less likely to get Braille. Things in Braille are expensive; I can buy regular books or audio books for about $10, and get that same book in Braille for $60 or more. Braille refreshable displays can cost more than $5,000 and I have seen some for $25,000. Even Braille keyboards and inputs are expensive. I also prefer Braille reading than audio sometimes, but it's just too expensive when you can use audio.
bradley22 1 points 3y ago
Braille is  relevant to those that use it.
Hakuismymaster 2 points 3y ago
I use Seeing AI as well. But majority of the time I have certain spots for everything and when I’m moving about in the kitchen, I know where everything is.
bscross32 2 points 3y ago
yes, I use Seeing Ai, an app on my phone that, among a variety of other things, scans bar codes. Other ways of doing this include a handheld barcode scanner which is not tied to a phone, and NFC tags you could place on things.
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oncenightvaler 1 points 3y ago
I often have to label things myself, I still have yet to develop a perfect system. I have heard of the app Be My Eyes but have not used it much myself yet I know people who swear by it.
UnfortunateOkibum [OP] 1 points 3y ago
It seems a lot of people use Seeing AI from the App Store. I checked it out and it seems pretty awesome tbh. I was thinking about developing a pair of glasses that do the same thing but for a fraction of the cost. I know for certain I can develop a pair for less than 200$ but someone has mentioned that a Braille book would be much appreciated so I switched gears and started a design prototype of a Braille tablet that you could download digital books at normal cost and it will translate it into Braille. If you have any everyday problems that you think there should be a solution for, by all means throw them my way and I’ll see what I can do.
Tsuchikuzurezawa 1 points 3y ago
As some people said, I shake the container too. I also arrange my cans in an order. Soups and stuff go on the left, and ingredients in cans like tuna or tomato paste on the right. Those cans come in different shapes and sizes, like tomato paste is very small, miso paste is in a squishy packet and tuna is a long can. As for soup, I don't really care what I eat since I know it's a soup and I buy the flavours I like anyway, so it doesn't really bother me if I confuse it
UnfortunateOkibum [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Next question, what if you had something wearable that could perform the same function as the app. Would that be something that would interest you and what kind of price would you be willing to pay for a tech like that? There are similar techs out there already but they are selling ~5,800.00$. I know that I could develop it for 97% cheaper. Honestly not trying to get rich. Just really want to help the world out a little. If there’s any kind of tech out there that would make your life easier, what would it be. What’s a pain in the ass in your everyday world that I could help you guys with, within a reasonable scope?
UnfortunateOkibum [OP] 1 points 3y ago
It does help a lot. It seems to me that there is no affordable, applicable product that you can use to help you identify everyday products. No worries friend, I’m going to develop something for you guys that’ll help a lot with everyday tasks and for a super cheap price
UnfortunateOkibum [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Can you explain how it generally works?
CloudyBeep 1 points 3y ago
Seeing AI is a free app on the App Store. If you don't have an iOS device, there are similar Android apps.
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