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IPhone question (self.Blind)
submitted by laconicflow
I'm trying to read one of those varification codes that's been texted to me, and I don't know how to make an IPhone spell out that text, I've never needed to look at anything character by charcter before. So anyone who knows what's up, let me know.
Dengster 3 points 3y ago
Also, if you are trying to get a verification code for another app on your iPhone, you can just go to the app that required the code, double tap on the edit field that was asking for the code, and now you should see suggestions on the top of your keyboard. One of the suggestions there should be your verification code. Double tap that suggestion, and it should be automatically inserted into the edit field.
Klb0594 3 points 3y ago
hey, so put two fingers on your screen, and twist them until you hear characters, then swipe down on those characters to have them read to you :)
laconicflow [OP] 2 points 3y ago
Thanks.
awesomesaucesaywhat 2 points 3y ago
It’s called “rotor” and you can customize what on it under Voiceover settings
Marconius 2 points 3y ago
If the edit field doesn't automatically notice the code from incoming text, there is a little more of an advanced feature I like to use with VoiceOver. I head to the text with the code, use 2 fingers in a twisting motion on the screen to activate the rotor and select Words, then swipe down until you hear VO read out the code. Once you land on and hear the code, perform a three-finger quadruple tap on the screen and that will copy the last spoken text to the pasteboard. Navigate back to the app with the confirmation text field and activate it, twist the rotor to the Edit option, then swipe vertically to find the Paste function and double-tap to paste the code into the field. Then you'll be good to go!
laconicflow [OP] 2 points 3y ago
I never knew there was a quadrupal three finger tap. Is there a place online that goes into detail on this stuff? I basically just use my phone to call and text, I do most other shit from a laptop because all the finger swiping is slow.

Sorry for all the questions, but how are you finding APS with the IPhone? I never really got into it because I assumed it'd always runn less acccessably than the web does with say, jaws.
Marconius 1 points 3y ago
Go to iOS Settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver and there is a practice area where you can try out all the different gestures to hear what they all do. If you four-finger double-tap, that starts VoiceOver help which does the same thing. Going through that helps you learn, plus in iOS 13 you have a full list of all the VO gestures available to you that works as a perfect reference list plus is customizable.

What do you mean by APS? Do you mean Apps? I've found certain apps to be very accessible and iOS makes it much faster and more efficient to interact with certain things based on the overall speed of doing it with a desktop screen reader. Twitterific, BaconReader, Lyft, Kik, Blindsquare, Be My Eyes, Aira, native Apple apps like Messages, Mail, Voice Memos, etc., so many apps are built accessibly and VoiceOver works well with them, and since there are less design pitfalls with native apps versus websites, the native mobile app experience is just faster overall depending on what you are doing.
laconicflow [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Yeah, I mean Apps. I figured this was the one sub where I could spell badly and it wouldn't matter.

Doing things faster is what I like.

Thanks for the help.
laconicflow [OP] 2 points 3y ago
That sounds complicated, but I'll do that.
Thanks!
laconicflow [OP] 1 points 3y ago
So the roder changes function based on what kind of field you're in? I've never seen edit on it before, and your instructions showed me how to copy but I'm still shaky on how to paste.
Marconius 1 points 3y ago
The rotor options will change based on what you are focused on. If you go to Settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > Rotor, you'll get an editable list of everything you can access in the rotor. I have that set up with only the things I need including text selection and braille screen input.

When you land on a text field, turning the rotor to the left once or twice will bring you to the Edit options. When you are on Edit, swipe vertically to toggle between the action you want to perform; select, select all, paste, look something up in the dictionary, etc. once you've found the action, such as paste, just double-tap the screen with a single finger to activate that action. iOS will then paste whatever you have copied into the text field. You can practice text editing in the Notes app, just create a new note, focus on the note text field, and try typing, selecting, copying, cutting, pasting, etc until you feel comfy with it.

For overall speed, I highly recommend learning braille and using braille screen input. When you are on a text field, the braille screen input option will show up in the rotor, and a 6-key keyboard will show up on the screen. I hold my phone in landscape mode with the screen facing away from my body. That gives my hands and fingers the perfect position to curl around the phone and tap the screen with 6 fingers, typing with braille characters that get interpreted into text. It's how I'm typing this response right now and being able to use contracted grade 2 braille drastically speeds up typing and interaction.

As for apps, just go about it understanding that VoiceOver is putting a cursor on the screen and left and right swipes move that cursor up and down the interface respectively, element by element. A good app will have all buttons, links, text fields, etc. labeled and clearly understandable, while a bad app will have nothing labeled, cursor traps where you suddenly can't move the cursor, all manner of accessibility pitfalls. There is no recourse there apart from contacting the developers and explaining what is going on and hopefully they listen and fix it. I've had good success with that so far, just takes a little persistence.
laconicflow [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I know braille.

I'm pretty sure I'm using my phone the way an 89 year old man would use a phone. I've never even heard of being able to type with braille screen input.

Is there some youtube channel or website where I can learn about all of this?
Marconius 1 points 3y ago
I received training from the Lighthouse for the Blind and through the Department of Rehab after I went fully blind. Definitely sounds like you haven't even sscratched the surface of what iOS can do in terms of accessible use. Here are a few resources:

https://afb.org/blindness-and-low-vision/using-technology/cell-phones-tablets-mobile/apple-ios-iphone-and-ipad-0


https://dequeuniversity.com/screenreaders/voiceover-ios-shortcuts


https://www.perkinselearning.org/technology/blog/how-use-voiceover-beginners
Dengster 2 points 3y ago
To get an iPhone to read by character, you have to use your virtual rotor. To do this, you put 2 fingers on the screen a little apart from each other, and make it look like you are turning a knob. As you turn/rotate your fingers on the screen, voice over will announce out different things like, characters, words, language, audio ducking, and so on. You would want to stop, when you hear, characters. From here, you just start swiping up and down, to get voice over to read by characters.
Make sure you are focused on the message with your verification code before you try to read by character. Hope this helped.
laconicflow [OP] 2 points 3y ago
So I did that, and the IPhone reads some stuff by character but when I get to the body of any text at all, it says "pop-directional format" instead of any letters or numbers.

Any thoughts?
Dengster 2 points 3y ago
I'm not sure on what you mean by, "pop-directional format"
I'm sorry.
laconicflow [OP] 2 points 3y ago
I'm not sure what I mean either, but that's what it says instead of reading my texts character by character.
Thanks anyway.
laconicflow [OP] 2 points 3y ago
I thought it was something like that but I was still swiping left and right.

Thanks.
autistictechgirl1990 1 points 3y ago
Turn 2 fingers as if turning a dial, you will have the options on the rota to change until it says characters  then move your finger letter by letter 
clarinetforfree 1 points 3y ago
This is great information! Thank you! I am brand new to Reddit. My husband is blind. We just bought an iPhone and have been learning how to use it slowly.

There are some great groups on Facebook for the blind. One of them is about how to use the iPhone for the blind. ( I can get into Facebook but my husband cannot until he learns how to use the iPhone better or learns how to access Facebook using Jaws -or perhaps some other way?).

People on that facebook site have referred me to a number of podcasts on iPhone use for the blind, as well as other similar space resources.

Here I copy one helpful note I received:



"The Applevis podcasts are very good, presented by people who themselves use voiceover and relate very well to their audience. They have been, and continue to be, my lifeline. Without them I wouldn't be using my iPhone with as much confidence as I am.


 there are 76 wonderful videos from the Hadley foundation for the blind on using voiceover with your iPhone. You can find them on their website or on YouTube. They helped me so much when I was starting out.


Wind ability has a podcast series called iPhone 101 that is very helpful./"
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