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Full History - 2020 - 01 - 06 - ID#el3z7d
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How to identify someone who is blind (self.Blind)
submitted by Murreth
Hello, I just watched a video made by a blind lady and her guide dog about how to give directions to the blind when asked, and it got me thinking about how to identify if someone is blind.

When I was a kid I was taught that the blind carry white canes, but is that still true if they have a guide dog? Also, do only the completely blind have guide dogs or can people who have some vision get them as well?

In the video the lady would tell her guide dog to follow the person leading her, is that the correct way to help?

If anyone has any resources that would help me with this subject I would be most grateful. I enjoy helping people when they need it and would like to be prepared if this situation ever arises.

Thank you very kindly for your time!
8i8oio 6 points 3y ago
What I miss most is... descriptions. Say someone reads a menu to you, they’re bored and go really fast. But that ruins the experience. What’s the overall flavor? Smokey? Sweet? Hints of sage?

And that’s just a food example. What does the sunset FEEL like tonight? How many birds are in the sky?? Do you know how much I miss stars? Rain? I miss the color and poetry around me, so much
codeplaysleep 5 points 3y ago
Only about 1-2% of blind people use guide dogs - but not all of us use canes, either. I only use my cane about 50% of the time.

For the purposes of giving directions, helping, etc., I wouldn't worry about identifying whether or not a person is blind. If I go to someone and ask for directions or help, I'm going to *tell* them that I'm blind. If I'm not asking for help, then I don't want people approaching me to offer it.

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>In the video the lady would tell her guide dog to follow the person leading her, is that the correct way to help?

I've never had a guide dog, so I don't know for sure how a sighted guide works in conjunction with one, but this method makes sense.
Murreth [OP] 3 points 3y ago
Yeah, I wasn't about to run up on a blind person and offer my services without being asked. hahaha. I'm just a be prepared kind of person, so I like to learn before I encounter a situation if possible.

Thanks for replying!
razzretina 4 points 3y ago
Sight loss is just like hearing loss and there are many degrees between being legally blind and totally blind. Total blindness is rare. What people who are blind can see varies in how useful it is (usually not very useful vision or we have to use tools like intense magnifiers to get much out of it). I’m almost completely blind, have a guide dog, am a good cane user (you have to be in order to work with a dog) but am also a cartoonist. You really can’t recognise a blind person reliably; we’re all different. If someone has a white cane or a dog with a guide harness, they’re probably blind, and they’ll ask you if they need help with anything. You can always offer to help but don’t be surprised to hear “no thank you” most of the time; we usually know what we’re about. :) The reason the person in the video had their dog follow someone is because that’s something the dogs are trained to do when we’re in an unfamiliar place; the handler commanded the dog to follow that person, but in most cases we tell our dogs where to go and travel by ourselves (it’s part of having our own independence).
Rhymershouse 2 points 3y ago
I’ve got a question and since you’re a cartoonist I thought maybe you could help. I’m totally blind, but I’d love to learn to draw. Do you happen to have ideas how to do that when you can’t see?
razzretina 1 points 3y ago
A friend of mine has been doing art with wiki stix (I think that's what they're called; they're flexible lines, basically). You could probably also try differently textured pipe cleaners. I'm not sure what board she uses to hold the wiki stix, though. I've used a board that makes the lines you draw on a piece of paper stand up a little bit, but I've found it a bit disorienting. You could also try moving yarn on a solid, smooth surface and see how that works. I think strings, pipe cleaners, and wiki stix that you can feel and move around might be a good start.

Personally, I find it easier to do things like whittling/wood carving or crochet without looking. Unfortunately I tend to draw in a very sighted way, only I tend to make what I draw really high contrast with thick outlines. When I was losing my vision and couldn't really see what I was doing, I didn't draw.
Rhymershouse 2 points 3y ago
Thank you so much for the suggestions! I’ll try those out!
Envrin 3 points 3y ago
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Pretty sure my white cane gives me away. :-)

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I don't know if I look blind or not. I have had a couple people tell me, "yeah, it's obviously just by looking at you that you're optic nerves are dead", but pretty near everyone in my life tells me, "no, no, can't even tell you're blind by looking at you". Not sure if they are just being nice, or are being truthful, and not like I can check the mirror to see for myself.
B-dub31 3 points 3y ago
I still have some functional vision, but I use an ID cane in public to tip people off that I am visually impaired. Most people think of blindness as light perception only or less—I know I did before my vision loss. But sometimes I feel like people think I am fraud because I obviously still can see somewhat. I would never wish my visual impairment on anyone, but if they could only understand how much harder a simple thing like running into the store to grab a couple things is now.
Tsuchikuzurezawa 2 points 3y ago
Honestly what everyone said is how I feel too somewhat. I understand most people want to help, but I also can still perform fine alone. If I am in need of help I can ask, although I always appreciate someone who's just trying to be nice.
IzzyReptilia 2 points 3y ago
It's either white cane or guide dog. I know some people who do see a little bit who do have guide dogs ,maybe because they see worse at night for example, or just feel safer .
Other ways to tell if someone is blind or has some visual impairment are pretty easy in my opinion. Not facing directly at someone's face , but instead kinda of facing upwards and sideways , I guess this is because our body just naturally makes us get in that position when we are focusing on all the different sounds. Also , it can be as easy as observing how they use their phones ( if they put it up close or if the phone speaks ) .
And yes, letting the dog follow you is the common thing. If the person is only carrying a cane , let them be a step behind you and lay their hand on your shoulder , that way they'll be able to easily follow your lead . This is the way I walk with my blind friends but ofcourse it's always best to ask how they prefer to do it

Hope this helps , I'm so used to being around blind people I've never stopped to think about this
Murreth [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I've seen a hand grasping a person's upper arm before but not the shoulder, but that was on TV so they may have taken literary license.

Thanks for your reply!
MySunAnStars 2 points 3y ago
The technique of guiding, often called Sighted Guide or Human Guide, is done by having the person hold your arm just above the back of the elbow. So some movies have it right. The Daredevil series on Netflix had some pretty good examples.
IzzyReptilia 1 points 3y ago
Yes , that works too !
JynxBJJ 1 points 3y ago
I don’t look blind. I can make “eye contact”, since the eyes of a person are pretty much just above where their voice is c8ming from. Lol.

Until recently I carried a white can w red tip, but people didn’t think I was blind. I got asked if i5 was fo4 self defense.

Now 8 have a guide dog (you don5 need to be totally blind, in m6 class only 2 of 14 were). Even the dog diesn5 five it away. I hab3 a pair of sunglasses that look dark from the outside, but don’t darken m6 surroundings a lot. Occasionall6 ove worn them if I just don’t feel like ecolainin* “no, I’m blind, really. I can’t see what you’re point8ng at. An$ no, you can’t pet my dog,”
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