I'm curious of how to approach and help and flirt with a blind person(self.Blind)
submitted by sanzcopacabana
Last week I was at the bus stop and there where a blind girl, she where trying to hear the bus line (most buses said it out loud in my country, Spain) so I approached with a "Hello, if you want, I can help you" and helped her get in the right bus, she was very nice, and all went good.
Is this how I'm supposed to offer my help? Is there a more "canonical" way to do it? I'm afraid of being too condescending or over helping.
And if in any case in the future, I want to flirt with a blind girl? How can I start a conversation with her naturally? I'm very social and communicative, and normally I will call the attention with a look or something but... I mean, What I should do? Say Hello out loud to be noticed by her or what?
Any response or criticism to what I did or what I'm asking will be helpful, and thank you in advance
guineapiggalaxy22 points3y ago
I think how you approached her and asked her if she needed anything was good. You weren’t forceful or condescending IMO. What I’d suggest is just talk, be yourself. Pretty much what you would do with sighted people. Ask her about herself, get to know her. You guys could go out somewhere.
jrs1212 points3y ago
I think you have to read the situation. Asking every person you see on the street with a cane if they need help is over kill. If someone is clearly displaying signs of distress, I think it's only natural to offer assistance. The important piece is accepting the response when the person says yes or no regardless of what you think the outcome should be. Regarding flirting, make sure the person knows who you are. If you wanted to flirt with this girl for instance, I would make sure to give her my name before I parted ways. Then the next time you see her say, 'Hey it's so and do. I helped you catch your bus the other day.' Scienere compliments never hurt either.
CloudyBeep11 points3y ago
In future, you should wait for the blind person to ask for your help.
Flexaris9 points3y ago
I'd like to hear more detailed opinions on this. I'm sure all blind people aren't the same and just like anyone else they may be shy to ask for help. Would it really be terrible to ask someone if they want help? I think it's just a natural instinct for some people, such as OP, to ask if someone wants assistance if they appear to have trouble.
oncenightvaler5 points3y ago
Whenever I am at a bus stop or waiting for someone or something I say "hello excuse me" to see if there are people about waiting for the same thing. I am very social and always like to get extra help if I can. I got turned around today and would have found my way back within like five minutes but fortunately there was a woman about who saw me get lost and came up to me and asked if I knew where I was and where I wanted to be.
CloudyBeep-1 points3y ago
I do not feel that it was appropriate to ask the blind person if they needed help in this situation. The blind person did not look like they were lost, in distress or struggling to do something, and you wouldn't ask a sighted person if they needed help under similar circumstances.
Flexaris7 points3y ago
I guess I read more into OPs phrasing, "she was trying to hear the bus line", to seem as she was having difficulty, perhaps over other noise. It wasn't phrased as "she was listening for the bus lines". But of course if everything seems fine I agree.
Amonwilde10 points3y ago
If the OP read the situation correctly, that she was keyed up listening for the announcer, then it seems reasonable to ask. Asking people if they need help is pretty ok, grabbing or persistent isn't. Don't assume that all blind people are in distress, though, we/they mostly aren't.
sanzcopacabana [OP]9 points3y ago
Thank you! Will do this next time!
hyp0crite20 points3y ago
I disagree with original comment. Acting like somebody who can't see can operate relatively "normal" is not giving enough credit to their condition and the constructs we've built for everybody who can see.
You did the right thing. It was kind and gentle. I would wonder (don't read into this, it's just a thought experiment), if the blind person was instead middle aged and male, but otherwise acting in the same way... Would you have offered your help?
In general, in good relationships (romantic or otherwise), it's good to know what the other person's (in)abilities are. My gf is ADD, hard. I will frequently stop, and be like, "dude, did you hear what I just said?" And she LOVES that I do that. As long as you're kind, respectful, and sensitive, understanding how another person experiences the world only helps you grow closer.
MelodicMelodies6 points3y ago
Blind person here: You're not wrong when you say that the world was not designed with blind people in mind. However, to say that blind people can't operate normally does a huge disservice to the techniques that we've learned to be competent members of society. Offering help in a kind and respectful way is not necessarily a bad thing, and from a sighted person's perspective, there's nothing inherently wrong with that! But when we normalize the idea that blind people are operating at a lesser capability, unsolicited help is always going to be what they experience. I'll say this: there's a huge difference between one person asking me if I need help, versus 3 people asking me if I do in less than a minute, just because they believe me to be less capable. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. If a blind person needs help, they are perfectly capable of asking for it.
hyp0crite3 points3y ago
I understand how it sounds when I say that, which is why i hate the word, "normal"... Notice though, I didn't say comparable or equitable, or anything like that. The idea that creative, or unconventional solutions for achieving a "normal life" might not be through normal methods was more my point. Please do not think I am in any way trying to decrease anybody's value in any way. I view normal as mediocre... I'm interested in diversity, of all types, and noticing the pros and cons of the characteristics of each difference. It is such a benefit for me as a person who wishes to be a decent human being to have these conversations. So thank you for commenting!
CloudyBeep3 points3y ago
I'd like to know why you think blind people can't operate like "normal" people. If a blind person uses alternative techniques competently and effectively, there shouldn't be many things they will struggle with.
hyp0crite1 points3y ago
I'd say it's mostly a design issue. The world is designed with so many people left out of the designer's scope of consideration. Vision is probably our most heavily relied upon sense, as a society.
If I was at a bus stop and needed to get assistance, I would listen to hear if other people were around me (most people make some noise), and if I didn't know that there was someone around me, I would just say "Excuse me?" and wait for a response.
hyp0crite1 points3y ago
Did you watch Joker?
"The problem with having _________ is that everyone expects you to act as if you don't."
There are so many reasons that a blind person might appreciate help but not advertise it to everybody at the bus stop.
Understanding how people experience the world is 1000% better than assuming they want you to pretend they're "normal". I'm not blind or afflicted with any condition, and even i don't want you to think I'm normal.
CloudyBeep2 points3y ago
I haven't watched Joker, but anyway ...
If a blind person doesn't ask for help because they're shy, that is their problem. If you wouldn't ask if a sighted person needed help under the same circumstances, I don't think it's acceptable to ask a blind person unless there were other mitigating circumstances.
Unlike you, I'm blind and have had people ask me if I needed help when I was walking alone. On most of those occasions, I was not doing anything that would have made someone ask the question if I was not blind. While I appreciate that they were trying to be a good citizen, I have never accepted help I didn't need just because it was offered to me because of my blindness.
Sighted people don't know how I experience the world, and I don't really think they should try to imagine it beyond basic human empathy, and I would rather they treat me as a person with simple courtesy rather than trying to incorrectly guess at what I might or might not want or need.
natvince1 points3y ago
are you serious? you're quoting the joker? there are blind people telling you not to do a thing and you're just like "nah, it's okay to do that thing because of the joker"
zersiax1 points3y ago
The blind person might not even know the person who wants to help is there. I think the OP handled it well ...greet the person, offer help if you think a person needs it but leave it up to them to accept or deny. That's what I would do to anyone, blind or not. I myself am fully blind.
MelodicMelodies10 points3y ago
Blind girl here:
I already answered the part about whether unsolicited help is worthwhile or not--in my opinion, it's more exasperating than anything, though it's important to recognize that there's a difference between a blind person who is minding their own business, doing their own thing, versus someone who is clearly in distress. Even so, some blind folks love accepting unsolicited help, where as me, not so much.
Re:flirting--bro, read the fucking room though. Yes, I agree that treating the blind person like anyone else is important--"wow, this weather is horrible isn't it?" or "Headed anywhere interesting?" are perfectly ok questions to ask at a bus stop! But is the person engaging with you? Are they trying to put in their headphones every time you stop talking? Are they looking uncomfortable? I've been in a situation where I was on the bus and a nice enough guy was trying to flirt with me, but I just wasn't here for it. So yes, treat them normal in how you flirt with them, and also treat them normally in taking a hint when they aren't interested on top of that.
sanzcopacabana [OP]3 points3y ago
Hey I appreciate your comment, but I can understand that if she puts some airpods she don't want to have any business with me
MelodicMelodies2 points3y ago
Lmao you'd think so wouldn't you? But I've had instances where people just refuse to take the hint. And idk, with how incompetent some folks think blind people to be, I could see some people trying to rationalize it away "oh maybe she just doesn't realize that that's rude?" etc. Though lol it's less because I think you specifically needed to see that and more just because I felt it needed to be said more generally.
PsychedelicBraille1 points3y ago
"I'm not interested in having a conversation with you at this time."
Done.
MelodicMelodies4 points3y ago
Not every woman feels comfortable being so abrupt in situations where someone is pursuing her. You're not in the wrong to say that there are ways to get out of that situation, but I also don't think it's asking a lot for guys to be mindful in these instances.
predictablePosts6 points3y ago
Not a blind person but be like "Ay gurl, you need a seeing eye boyfriend?"
Lassendil5 points3y ago
I got a nice laugh from this, thank you
oncenightvaler3 points3y ago
haha sorry you got downvoted if a girl came up to me and said that I would lmao.
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predictablePosts2 points3y ago
Ain't no one else making suggestions.
Just a lot of talk about how not to approach a blind person.
322lancer3 points3y ago
No you did perfectly fine. :)
8i8oio2 points3y ago
I might not be able to tell if someone was flirting with me... as I can’t see facial expressions any more. So I’d suggest start with your usual approach (compliments? Chatting?) and if she responds well, then ask her out! Coffee then, a drink later. Maybe offer to let her pick where - so she can choose a familiar, easy-to-navigate location.
See? Thoughtful! Kind! And easy! This way you are still yourself, and also mindful of her comfort and needs. I’m terrible at flirting, but it’s always obvious if it’s a date!!
Good luck :) and thanks for offering her help. I think it was kind. We all need help from time to time, eyes or not.
sanzcopacabana [OP]2 points3y ago
Thank you for your comments
bradley222 points3y ago
I think you did the right thing.
I’ve had people ask me if I wanted help and most of the time when I tell them I’m fine, they just get on with their day.
AZIZ1MEDIA1 points3y ago
Hi i am blind
blackberrybunny1 points3y ago
Good god, man, just be yourself!
AllHarlowsEve1 points3y ago
There are some people who take the faintest hint of thinking they're not just as competent as sighted people to mean that you think they're supposed to be inside, listening to the radio someone turned on for them, and being spoonfed.
There's nothing wrong with asking people if they need help. It takes a split second for me to say "no" if I don't, and I don't even have to break my stride. Don't touch or pull me, but words don't bother me.
As far as flirting goes, I'd get next to her and just say "Hey, miss." and then whatever line you'd normally go for.
bradley220 points3y ago
As for flerting, just talk to them like you usually would with a sighted person :)
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