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Full History - 2020 - 02 - 05 - ID#ezkugv
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Mom diagnosed with macular pucker and AMD (self.Blind)
submitted by Exoting
Hey, so I’m a little lost. A little upset. This has been a journey for us.

My mom is 62 and two years ago started seeing lines / blurry issues in her vision. We went to an ophthalmologist and a retina specialist. She was diagnosed with macular pucker in the left eye. We were terrified it was Macular degeneration, because her grandpa had it. But they said no signs of it. She said over time it’s gotten better and we left it alone.



Fast forward to today; she noticed some lines in her right eye when she is looking against a white wall. We go to the ophthalmologist again, and he tells her now her right eye is getting a bit of the pucker. Oh, and then nonchalantly throws in “there’s a tiny little spot there of macular degeneration too in the left eye.” She’s like wait , what??? I have macular degeneration? And he’s like “yeah we saw that spot last time. It’s so tiny and you’re not having any symptoms.” So she started crying, breaking down. I left work crying. This is everything we feared.
He seemed like it was no big deal. She asked if she should prepare to go blind and he said no not at all, just come in for her eye exams yearly.

I’m so worried. She is crushed. I’m crushed. I feel like she may not be able to see her grandkids, and enjoy life.

I had these thoughts years ago but now they’re real. I guess I’m just looking for advice on.. does anyone have AMD? I’m assuming it’s just dry from what he says.
How quick does it normally progress? And how can I be supportive? She is my best friend. I just feel lost.
ESTJ137 3 points 3y ago
going blind isn’t the end of the world. people can live a very normal life when blind. I have absolutely no vision and I live a very normal life. so many hobbies. and it doesn’t have to be blind specific either. I am super intellectual with my hobbies which most of them requires no site, if you can work a phone decently well with screen reader, very learnable, you can read everything, and go on the internet a lot. I traveled to the east coast by myself for 2 weeks absolutely alone, went to 5 to 6 different states, you could also say 5 states and a property. the 6th was washington d.c. I was busy everyday. I saw a myriad of historical and political sites. I navigated the city alone, rode trains, buses and all sorts of public transport. Nearly got robbed but got out of that and kept my head on. sited people told me I wouldn’t even do this alone. I am adventurous and can be fearless. tomorrow I am going to go to this meet up meeting all by myself on buses and trains. I’ve been all over my county of los angeles going food hunting, being a yelper if you will I couldn’t ever post on there but did essentially what they did with foursquare. whent food hopping, and know the city and restaurants well. I know how to navigate Los angeles quite decently. YOu can’t get me lost around my city and I’ve been able to give sited people directions on how to take transport and go places. Not that some of them took me seriously, if they did they would have known I was right. I’ve directed people driving to my house. I like going to walk along the beach and have gone there on my own. I use to like frequenting coffee shops. I’ve been taking public transit since about 17 and 18 majorly after 20. I started exploring restaurants where I went food hunting and know a ton of good places there. no one can stop me. hahaha!

I am usually a fun, positive, and very social person. and I don’t have to be fake positive either haha!

I currently go to school and study political science and some history. so very vigorous work. I read widely and avidly mostly non-fiction and got in to self-development recently. it use to be just something I do online.

I serve on the students with disabilities activism and advocacy work. I got picked to be on this committee with all the heads of office, and pretty important people in the school they could have picked many others. I am very blessed in that way. I’ve been doing this stuff for a while and do substancial civil rights ada work and is usually liked and appreciated and people think i do a good job. I usually offer mentorships and for free consult people on these types of issues. I am thinking that’s what I want to do for work. I have very positive very forward moving improvement based solutions and guide people while believing in them whether they know they are capable or not. so if you want help please feel free to reach out.


I get to places usually by myself, I don’t even take paratransit or special services for the blind.

I warn you it’s a shopping list of interests for sure. Haha! But here they are my hobbies and interests.



Politics, current events, history, reading the news, friendly debating, discussion of intellectual topics with friends, tinkering with technology, appologetics, theology, economics, geopolitics, anthropology, sociology, geology, biology, health, psychology, disabilities studies/abnormal psychology, sometime geography and less about maps but more about places and what they consist, culture, civil rights, accessibility, accessible technology, learning, studying, reading, exploring the city, reading academic journals, , food, especially novel ones, volunteerism, activism, advocacy, peer mentoring, social media, social networking, researching, audio engineering, playing with microphones, soundscaping, musicology, collecting music, mbti, enneagram, self-development, travel,.,

Maybe I missed something but I think that’s a pretty thorough list.

I am saying all this to say that you can be blind and live a good fulfilling normal life if you really want it. is it easy to achieve no, but when and if you try you can get good at it.
Exoting [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Hey your comment really is uplifting and I seriously appreciate all of the effort You put into it and information you gave me. Does an app help you use reddit? I hope I don’t sound ignorant here I’m just curious.

Have you been blind throughout your life or did you lose your vision?

I’ve read a lot of conflicting info about macular degeneration taking your sight. Some people say it will others say they only suffer mild symptoms for years and years. It’s hard to tell. It seems unpredictable. Again, thanks for your help and I’d love to keep in contact or reach out if possible. :)
ESTJ137 2 points 3y ago
That’s not a problem I am glad it helps that is what I intended not to brag about myself.haha! And sure I’ll get you a message soon. I can give you my number. You don’t seem like some creep on the internet so I don’t mind giving you some form of contact.

I went totally blind at the age of 8, but was very super low vision, I didn’t have much to lose but I could definitely see some. I remember colors and such and was able to see 2 or 3 feet in front of me.

Even if she lost her vision later in life though she would be able to adapt. If people born without vision can anyone can. It’s actually easier to work from a position of being able to see before if you can previously see. If and when you adapt you’re actually more natural. I look pretty normal but there are things that honestly makes me stand out a little, and it’s the lack of real vision. Posturing, eye contact, facial expression. Is all a little off. I know blind people who have been sighted for a long time and they can if they become really independent full the room they were sited they understand what looking is and eye contact it and some or most can still emulate it. I can’t. What’s eye contact, I have no idea. I know the concept but the execution is terrible. Also visualizing areas is probably easier when they get familiar with a place.

Also my point is the west and america at least has provided enough opportunities and resources for people to work with as a blind person. It’s definitely not perfect, but it’s gone a long way and blind people can definitely be independent. The west has done a lot to integrate, put out efforts to adapt things, and make things accessible enough.

It’s unfortunate with some certain families who give up entirely and just buy a simple alexa for the older blind person and that’s all they do. I mean there’s so much more blind people can read books and use the computer. But some people don’t do this because their children gave up on them and said sit in front of this alexa and you’ll be great. Always makes me sort of frustrated. Unless that’s all your mother/father/grandparent is really capable of, really degraded that badly they can learn to do it they just need to want to.

I think I told you I even read really thick scholarly books quite big volumes of nonfiction.

I know it takes effort and I understand the feeling, it’s much easier to sit at home, and not adapt and feel sorry for oneself and for the rest of your life become dependent and not capable, and bitter, it’s honestly easier, but if you want the other life, almost a normal life it’s possible to adapt. It certainly requires more willpower, and effort and drive, but one can adapt, learn the skills and get going on life again. I never said it was easy. It’s much easier being pampered and controled. I know people in both boats.


Well yes and no. I use an app called dystopia and it’s made for both sited and blind users. Its actually a nice app, currently still under public beta. The programmer has said oh I will do an official release forever now but has never done it. So when they do it I’ll believe it. If you want to try it out I’ll give you the public link you need the app test flight though. I also use bacon reader. Which is also another app anyone can use but is one of the two most accessible reddit apps. Reddit native is unfortunately just not accessible. Not sure if the programmers of reddit is that interested. It’s never been accessible and it isn’t now. I’ve been on reddit for a while now I am not new just my 6 or 7 account. I can change my display name so I may do that, I thought you can only by creating a ew account. Now I know I may have to do that, that’s why I have so many I don’t use my other ones honestly. Haha! Most of the naming conventions all similar. It’s four letters followed by 3 numbers. But yeah, I want to keep my accounts but thought I couldn’t. But yeah, I know reddit well.

I use apple’s built in screen reader on the phone called voice over. It’s on every single iphone and doesn’t involve more money. If you have an iphone you automatically like it or not, want to use it or not, need to use it or not. You just need to turn it on. On andrioid there is a screen reader on most devices called talkback and some androids are better. Like samsung, but if your mother needs an accessible phone I suggest an iphone. I mean it doesn’t have to be but apple is really the best at the accessibility game. Most modern phones have a form of screen reading. Most computers do too. I use a mac so also use voice over. I also own pcs and have a third party software on it called jaws but honestly narrator is getting better and better and may just be a good enough one to use alone. They started later because of an. Antitrust suit in the 90s. But they are really trying now. They want it better I think. Hopefully putting the other companies out of business because the point is to buy a computer that doesn’t need outside software to make it accessible, that it is just out of the box. It’ll be cheaper for all the blind people. Jaws was a good idea years ago and so far is still the best game in town but hopefully it can be rivaled by a native program on the pc.

I would say tell your mother about it and start some of these skill training early. I can give you a place where you can get a cane for free, it’s a lighter cane, but it’s a decent one. Also learn screen reading, software such as the ones I was, talking about. Learn to recognize your house in memory not by seeing, learning tricks and tips to cook when blind. Etc... etc... I can think of more and give you some specific suggestions if you want, I can give you some ideas. I didn’t get training I just figured them out so I can give you pointers.



Well, I don’t think anyone could predict the future and one’s body is complex. I suppose some do lose vision and some don’t. It depends on who you are, and what the state of the condition is. It’s case by case. It’s like diabetes effects people differently some need dialysis, some go blind from it, some don’t have either. Some get limbs cut off others don’t. You never know until it comes and I’d try to look on the positive side but if you feel better about it prepare for the worse, learn to use the screen readers, learn how to use the cane. If it doesn’t happen consider you acquired some skills and new knowledge on how blind people work and give away your cane when you’re absolutely certain that you won’t go blind. You know that type of deal. I mean you don’t have to I think preparing is when you are really starting to lose vision, not when it’s completely gone but there’s proof that you will go blind.

But know this there is resources, things, and aids to help you out.
Exoting [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Your messages help me so much and I appreciate them more than you know!

You seem like a very strong willed person and everything you’ve told me is so impressive!! I am totally shocked by the amount of things you’ve accomplished and can do. I suppose the human spirit is stronger than we give it credit for sometimes.


The information you’ve given me helps more than you know. I am going to look into getting a house soon and letting her have a garden out back. She loves plants and gardening and used to have a greenhouse and I know that’s something she can always have regardless of vision.

She’s given me everything my entire life so I suppose it is time to return the favor, I’m okay with that. I’m looking into the screen reader and how I can make things easier for her. I assume we’ve got a rough road ahead, but not an impossible one.

The Alexa situation is pretty sad, it breaks my heart some people don’t bother with their loved ones.... especially a parent who spent their life taking care of you.

Anyway, I plan to research all of this now and I’ll get back to you :) again thank you so much
ESTJ137 1 points 3y ago
Thanks I appreciate it. I guess some people are stronger then others but for sure humans can be strong it’s about if they want it or not.

Yeah, I have a pretty strong will myself, and I’ll get through thick and thin.

Yeah, I know some blind people who garden for sure I can be impractical and I have a very brown thumb and everything I take care of dies. Hahaha! But I do know some good blind cooks, gardeners and everything else. It’s possible for your mother to live alone so I think you should encourage her towards that, the more independent she can be the better. I know tons of blind people live alone in their own houses, some single mothers who are blind, even single fathers, they raise kids and keep the house clean and in order just like anyone else. Blind people can cook very successful skills. Another skill set to lern when going blind is ILS or independent living skills. Even older people can be good at it, having been able to see I can definitely see the advantage they would have such as spacial sense and other things not everyone but a possibility. I think your mother can do a lot when blind, cook, clean, garden, go shopping, order the house, stuff of that nature. I know a woman who’s now totally blind but she use to be a chef or a su chef or something like that but she can still cook very much very complex meals. Many blind people do. If they have the inclination. Lost of sight shouldn’t be an obstacle. I have a friend who’s in the cullinary arts program at a school and doing quite well. He’s had some cooking and professional kitchen experience. He makes a lot of good pastries and everything else. So it’s possible. So I would say don’t shut your mother in a house and you feel like you have to do everything for her. You can eventually teach her to take public transport to get to places, if she’s still healthy enough to do it can walk and such it’s possible, go places and find them through orientation and mobility skills that can be taught.

It depends on how willing she is to adapting and change. How willing she’s to live this amazing life. It can be rough half of the battle is attitude even with blind people blind all their lives. Some blind people who’s been blind doesn’t even want to get out of their own houses. I’ve heard the eerie cries from inside houses on the internet of isolation and despair. And you can only try to help them so much, to tell them there’s a much better road there to get out and explore. I know some folks just won’t do it and just find friends all their lives.

And the alexa situation is very sad.

I sent you a message. Please feel free to get in touch if you do add me on facebook I’d like to know you did either through here or messenger because I get a lot of really weird people, so I want to make sure who you are on there and I will absolutely accept the request.
KillerLag 3 points 3y ago
The speed at which it progresses can vary greatly. Things like smoking accelerate it.

Talk to the eye doctor about getting amber sunglasses. Current research indicates UV damage causes/accelerates Mac degen. Amber helps with cutting out blue light, which is closer to the UV spectrum. Try to find ones that have side shields and top shields (https://www.magnifyingaids.com/NoIR_U40 not the most stylish, but you get the idea). Check with the doctor to find an appropriate pair before rushing out to buy (there are cheap knock offs that are bad). A hat with a brim also helps.

Mac degen is fairly common (it is the leading cause of vision loss in the developed world). It would affect her visual accuity, so things may get harder to read and colours may be more difficult to see clearly as things progress. However, technology has also progressed as well. Magnifiers (both optical and electronic) are helpful with enhancing usable vision.

Talk to her eye doctor regarding taking ocular vitamins. He can make a suggestion for which ones work well, and some are sold over the counter even. There is a treatment for wet mac degen (the bleeding one), but it doesn't sound like she is at that stage yet. For dry mac degen, the big thing is to slow it's progression.

I've heard (but have no personal experience) that this book has some good recipes for slowing down the progression as well. (https://www.amazon.com/Eat-Right-Your-Sight-Degeneration/dp/1615192492)
Exoting [OP] 1 points 3y ago
Your comment was really helpful I appreciate it. She is really down in the dumps right now over all this. I’m trying pretty hard to see some positivity for her.
I will look into the sunglasses and the book.

Thank you so much
KillerLag 1 points 3y ago
No problems. Her doctor (or, if she is referred, a low vision specialist) can make more suggestions specific to her as well.
8i8oio 1 points 3y ago
I was diagnosed with wet AMD at 27. It’ll be okay. Check for local support groups so she can have people to talk to, and get life adjustment tips from.

Make sure she has or develops some no-sight-needed hobbies, like audiobooks, a musical instrument / singing, knitting, maybe origami, go to plays, etc.

Just keep listening. Being able to vent is a very big deal, which my family didn’t provide. It took me 5 years to rebuild myself, but at least you knew this was a hereditary possibility.

Note: I became quite light sensitive after my diagnosis, so be sure to get good sunglasses (100% UV protection) and maybe some sun hats to prevent that from developing. Her eyes will be weak and prone to other issues now (like cataracts / glaucoma) and she’s going to need to take it easy. Get some magnifying glasses or whatever she needs to *NOT* strain her eyes.

This is a degenerative illness. There is no cure at this time. But, it also isn’t lethal. It can’t “spread” like cancer would. Stay positive. You have each other.
Exoting [OP] 2 points 3y ago
How are you doing with yours being diagnosed so early? Was it a hereditary issue?


I really appreciate your response and you seem like a really strong person. I am so sorry your family wasn’t supportive. That’s really important.
8i8oio 1 points 3y ago
It was not hereditary, and a very big surprise. Even now, my 90 year old grandma still doesn’t have it. I was in my last semester for my degree, and the added stress caused my eye muscles to inflame = great pain on top of adjustment & acceptance. Not a pleasant time, made worse by losing my coping skills (reading, driving, drawing).

I struggled with a degree that wouldn’t last vision lost. I struggled with whether or not to date... should I now? When I can see his face? Or after I’m blind, when he knows what life will be like? Was it selfish to want someone with me while I was crying so much?

Note: crying causes more bleeds too, so I had to learn not to cry.

Would I be able to afford a house beforehand? I contacted the local Blind Association but I wasn’t permitted any classes / skills / support until *actually* blind. I found support groups for AMD but they all said “55 or older”. So I didn’t even have that.

But I’m sorry, you asked how I am now!

The most important lessons are internal. I learned that sight was not my most valuable skill (book, Soundless by Richelle Mead). I learned how to continue cooking, so I could keep one hobby. I am relieved I was already into meditation to help me quiet & conquer the fears that wanted to drown me. I have quite a few solid friends to cheer me up and keep treating me normal - which you need while you adjust. I’m still invited to board game nights, even tho I usually just listen, or am on someones “team” :-P

And yes, I got married! I did finally lose my job last year, but I’m gaining a child of our own. Giving birth may cause more vision loss (I’m 20/500 right now, in my “good” eye) but my doctors are working together to try to prevent that.

But that’s why I believe in your Mom. A fear came true, but she will conquer it. There’s something oddly peaceful after “the worst” has happened. Acceptance comes just like any other grieving process ~ by going thru the steps (denial, anger, etc). She has surely grieved before & will again.

Sorry this ended up being so long <3 but ty for asking. If you have any other questions, I’m here for you both
Exoting [OP] 2 points 3y ago
I am so happy for you! Your comment really brightened my day and gave me hope.

Your hobbies sound great, and you sound like you’re doing awesome! Congrats on the baby.

You are a really positive and inspiring person. I’m really glad to have had your response on here. :)

I’m going to take everything you said into consideration
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