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nonverbal cues and gestures and blind people (self.Blind)
submitted by ESTJ137
here’s an interesting discussion talking typology on another forum and they and I were talking about certain people give off certain visual cues when speaking. You don’t have to understand any of this in terms of typology.

for blind people, especially those totally blind from birth or from a very young age. have you learnt to use nonverbal cues or gestures and are you good at it. is it naturally good or did you have to practice?


I’ve never really bothered to pay attention or learn so I don’t gesture much and I don’t know if nonverbal cues really work for me for instance. I don’t know if you can just read them.
DrillInstructorJan 11 points 3y ago
This is a significant source of paranoia for me. I went blind at 19 and even though that was more than twenty years ago, everyone tells me I have very normal body language. Apparently 19 is late enough that it's all fixed in your brain by that point. It's tough because I guess they're under pressure to be nice about it, but people I trust say I'm even a bit more animated than normal but that's just me. I say fine, great, the last thing I need is any more reasons for people to think I'm weird. I have no idea how this affects born blind people or if they're concerned about it.

The title of your post actually made me think it was going to be about me being able to see other people's body language and I simply can't, and that does occasionally cause awkwardness. People point "over there," over where? Or they're holding something "so I bought this," you bought what? Or they're nodding along with something I'm saying and the conversation trails off into silence for a few seconds as I wait for them to agree or not.

But again I'll sort of take it, because that at least means they're comfortable and not thinking about it, even if they do end up going "oh sorry I was nodding."
Myntrith 4 points 3y ago
> People point "over there," over where?

We sighted folk even catch ourselves doing that kind of thing on the phone. Pointing. Nodding. Gesturing.

Also, most people are weird for one reason or another. Even the few who are normal are weird for being normal.
ESTJ137 [OP] 1 points 3y ago
I don’t really care it was someone saying well certain types of people you can read body gesturing. I don’t know if I believe that or whatever as entirely but that’s not the point here.

my point was even if you were to watch me I don’t know if and how much you can tell from my body language. maybe not really much. and I don’t honestly care. haha! but I was wondering if people used it or if it was just me or if people didn’t know how to use it but cared. I just don’t care. I care more about ideas and intellectual things and content of things more then sort of physical world stuff.

essentially I got curious if it was just me or not, certain people or if it was just a blind thing.
razzretina 5 points 3y ago
Much body language is learned through vision and imitation. You can’t imitate what you can’t see.
This comes up in conversation with me and my blind friends from time to time. Even those of us who can see but not well don’t do subtle expressions or gestures. I talk a lot about the “blind smile”, which is usually big and shows more teeth than other smiles because that’s how you feel it. And smiling is an innate, instinctive expression. So you’ll see blind people smile but there’s something different about it from the norm because most of us don’t have any way to model the expression from others. Most of our expressions are broad and innate.
Basically, I have an awesome poker face.
blackberrybunny 4 points 3y ago
I'm still trying to understand what you mean by "typology." I think maybe you meant, "gesticulation" instead? The act of using gestures to convey meaning?

Well, I can tell you that I've known a lot of people who have been totally blind since birth, and they do not use a lot of gestures. Hardly any. The people I know who are blind know, but COULD see earlier in life, they are more prone to use gestures, to be more "animated." But it doesn't matter really. You don't have to gesticulate--- you can convey so much meaning and depth just with your voice.
ESTJ137 [OP] -1 points 3y ago
as I said don’t worry about the typology bit that’s why I asked. it’s theories I was trying to draw.

okay that says a lot I was just wondering that’s exactly how I feel.

I have one more question for you.

how hands on are you? do you tend to pay attention to some sort of thing happening around you or is it more like your ideas? do you pay attention to the world much or are you oblivious and in your head mostly anyway? just wondering.
blackberrybunny 1 points 3y ago
I'm very hands on because I have some sight. And when I close my eyes and use my other senses to get a glimpse of the world around me, I at a lot more aware of things going on than when I use my eyes.
PsychedelicBraille 1 points 3y ago
I can't really read them but I nod my head a lot. Also gesture.
Mycrotag 0 points 3y ago
It luckily has been absolutely natural since I was young. Find it even more attractive when a blind woman can meet me on that level. We can't see each other's eyes if the girlfriend is blind, but I still look at her in the eyes when I say meaningful things. I do point, nod, and shrug. When i meet people, interviews on radio, conversations with anyone, I am doing all stated above at appropriate times. it was more logical than it has ever been something that has to be studied. I went to school and spend my life up till about 13/14 only seeing blind people for 2 weeks every summer starting at 6. All I knew was sighted people. Then, my child's mother is sighted and I would feel her face and ask her to do faces so I could feel them and visualize and know. I treat these things like I treat all the other simple things. You know how when a sighted person is portraying a blind person and it all is exagerated? Take sitting in a chair for example, they'll fumble around and try to look for the chair when none of us as blind people do that. So it's the same thing as these gestures. Don't over exagerate them.
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