How do you let a company know their product is not accessible?(self.Blind)
submitted by nihaokitty
When a product you're using has a problem (e.g. low color contrast, missing labels, etc.) how do you let companies know that this is a problem they should fix? Do you contact customer support? Do they actually fix the issue?
Do you post on social media? Does anyone from the company respond to you? Does the issue get fixed?
Is legal action the only way to get companies to take notice and fix the issues?
There are so many questions on Reddit asking r/blind to help them build a new app, but do you actually want a new app or do you just want existing apps to work the way they should?
jofish229 points3y ago
Give the company or person making it a chance. Send them a note somehow - through the app, tweet at them, send an email, post on the discord or chat channel, file a bug if they have that mechanism, something.
It’s easy for things to slip through — as someone who runs a software team, who really cares about accessibility, I’ve definitely got feedback on products from blind users where we did things wrong, and we’ve fixed it.
I can’t see why anyone would *start* by filing a lawsuit. Shit like that makes the world a worse place. If you’ve tried other ways? Sure. But to start like that? I’m disgusted anyone would even suggest it.
CloudyBeep4 points3y ago
The OP didn't suggest legal action as the first approach. However, that is often what it takes to make change. Many companies either ignore or disregard requests for improved accessibility, and sometimes a well-publicized lawsuit can give other companies a bit of momentum in improving the accessibility of their own product so that they're not shamed into doing so.
jofish222 points3y ago
No, the OP didn’t. Other commentators did.
CloudyBeep4 points3y ago
Do you contact customer support? Sometimes, depending on how I'm feeling, whether it's important enough to me, how significant the issues are and how likely I think it is that they'll fix the problems.
Do they fix the issue? Rarely, and sometimes they introduce new accessibility issues after they fix what you told them about.
Do you post on social media? No, because I don't use much social media. And even if someone from their PR department responds, that's no indication that they'll fix the issue.
Is legal action the only way? Sometimes it is. Accessibility is still considered a "feature" by many companies, and sometimes it has a much lower priority than other features.
nkdeck072 points3y ago
As someone not blind but working on the other end of this I'd say almost always on the legal action. I was in consulting for years and we did not have a single client ask about accessibility unless they were a government entity that required it or were actively being sued. It's horrific but the best way to fix something is to file a suit.
meoverhere3 points3y ago
As a developer for a major open source product (Moodle) we really care about our accessibility, but it’s still a major challenge to get right.
We’ve been focusing on it for as long as I can remember but it’s only in the past few years where the standards are mature enough to be understandable, and the software (JAWS and NVDA) actually follows the specs well enough.
We currently have three developers working pretty much full time on improving our accessibility. We’re starting with the most high traffic areas and gradually working out. We will never actually finish but it’s really pleasing to see more and more new developers who actually have some understanding of accessibility standards so I hope that’s a trend that we see across the board.
I’d recommend contacting customer support at the first instance and working up the chain. Often you’ll find developers keen to work on accessibility but the scheduling manglers have a different agenda.
If you’re using a self-hosted system then also speak to the internal powers that be. We often get people complaining about all sorts of things but discover that they’re running a release from 4 years ago.
devinprater1 points3y ago
As someone blind who works on Moodle courses, I thank you so much for working on accessibility. As a rather advanced computer user, I do wish courses could be synced with a git or Github, repository. I love using Emacs, and writing in Markdown is great, but current screen readers don't read Markdown as well as Emacspeak <https://github.com/tvraman/emacspeak> does. But I know that isn't something that most teachers, even blind ones, would need, so I just copy and paste. I'm just glad that course creation, while very tedious to me, is also pretty accessible.
FantasticGlove1 points3y ago
Hi. I'm wondering what service your app provides? I want to know because I may use it if I need such a service. Have a great day.
meoverhere3 points3y ago
We are a learning management system, used predominantly for distance learning.
We may not be perfect, but we are actively trying to improve our accessibility.
Good luck :)
FantasticGlove1 points3y ago
I see. That's pritty cool. I'm using Zoom at the moment for my College but if I ever need such a service, I'll contact you.
BigRonnieRon2 points3y ago
Zoom is garbage. Moodle/Blackboard are pretty decent.
just4upvot3s3 points3y ago
From the perspective of some who works in the design community. I think it's company dependent. More companies are focusing on accessibility in their designs and end product. I would recommend support first as they will likely creat a ticket. If it's an easy thing to fix (color contrast) that's something they may be able to do quickly.
In my organization posting on social media is generally about the same as contacting support. The support team monitors mentions on social media and creates tickets when action is needed.
I hope this helps and I hope they are able to improve their site to make it more accessible!
TripleAG2 points3y ago
A polite, informative, email should suffice
Duriello2 points3y ago
Unfortunately here in Portugal there isn't anything like the ADA so suing is not an option. As for reporting accessibility issues I do so through the official channels when they bother me enough, and often get promised a fix, but entities rarely follow through. For example I E-mailed one of my banks to have them fix issues with their app and actually got a call from the head of software engineering who promised to make the app accessible, but I guess it was too much trouble for them to bother.
I guess that when it comes to apps the problem is the reliance on third-party cross-platform frameworks that not only add a lot of bloat and create unnecessary dependencies on technologies that may not withstand the trial of time but also fail to implement accessibility right.
devinprater1 points3y ago
Yes, Electron is awful. Now, it even has a bug on macOS where VoiceOver can't traverse into the web area. It just doesn't see it. Lol. Its as blind as I am.
Sudsy6132 points3y ago
First action I take is to trouble-shoot/self-help. (Manually labeling things, finding workarounds, getting creative). If that doesn’t work, I’ll reach out to customer service,  initially via social media then a good ole telephone call. Not being an entitled, whiny dick, but working with companies, helping educate/inform goes a long way. As far as the legal route, personally, nah. Not worth my time/effort. There are more important things in the world to worry about. Plus, the NFB cult has those bases more than covered, especially when it comes to downright Ridiculous suits.
Cowener2 points3y ago
Customer support is the first way to do it, then if nobody answers contact the CEO directly if possible or use social media
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BigRonnieRon0 points3y ago
File an ADA suit, pref in CA, if you find a good lawyer let me know.
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