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My (female) first encounter with a blind person (self.Blind)
submitted by fatgranolabar
TLDR: first encounter with a blind person left me feeling a little weird. Please help me understand if its normal for blind people to stand so close and ask odd questions.

I had my first encounter with a blind person (18yo, male) at the train station today while waiting for the lift. He just ended school and was on his school uniform. He asked me if i could bring him to the line he was headed to and I gladly agreed. Afterwards, i asked which station he was headed to and found out we live nearby the same station. Even though i was exiting the station we were at to get some lunch, i decided to forgo that and send him to station he stays at. He asked if he could hold onto my arms which I was totally find with. But he told me to place my arm right next to me body which i guessed it was because he wanted to feel someone near him? (Pls enlighten me)

While waiting for the train, he asked what am i using my phone for (bc he is partially blind and could see that my other hand was holding onto my phone) Also, he asked if i had long / short hair. To which i replied I had long hair and he asked if he could touch it. It caught me by surprised bc its not normal to ask if you can touch someone’s hair but i was guessing since he could not see, sense of touch probably matters a lot to him.

When the train came, we sat next to each other. He was still holding onto my arm even though we were sitting right next to each other. (Is this normal for blind people? Sorry this is a new experience for me).

He also asked me if i was wearing a skirt which i replied no to. Through out the ride he also kept asking if i go to the toilet after im done with work and after I alighted the train. He also shoved me $10 and asked me to take it as a tip which i declined. He also thanked me for helping him bc nowadays nobody wants to help him with the coronavirus situation.

Well the part that made me rlly uncomfortable is when we alighted the train and he made a comment on the size of my chest. I asked how does he know and he told me he could feel it as he held onto my elbow and could brush against my chest (this was how close we were the entire time bc he kept reminding me to hold my arm near my body). He also kept apologising for touching my hair and making a comment about my chest. I did not express any unhappiness towards it and told him it was okay.

He wanted me to walk him all the way home even though i told him i stay very far away from him. I asked if he would like to that the bus as walking poses quite a danger to him. We had to cut through the mall to reach the bus stop. This was when he mentioned that he wants to go to the toilet. I said i’ll wait for him outside. However, he asked me to accompany him inside the handicap cubicle. I asked if he could hold his pee in and he said he couldnt. Thus, i told him i’ll find a guy to accompany him. Then he said he didnt want to go to the toilet anymore. That was rlly uncomfortable for me as i do not want to be in the same cubicle.

As i was holding onto my phone the entire time, he asked at the end if i was gna take a photo of him bc of all the weird questions he asked. I said no I wasnt, i just have a habit of holding onto my phone. This was weird to me bc how would he know about this entire take photo and flame someone online trend?

I am someone who does not like to have close contact with people but he was sticking right next to my body the entire time and. I was very glad to help him and also speak to him but some of the questions and actions really made me uncomfortable. I hope people from this community can help me understand if this is normal for blind people?
noaimpara 22 points 3y ago
Yeah man he was weird as fuck. No one should ask questions like that and touch you. It’s normal to ask to hold your arm in a certain way (grabbing someone is better than being grabbed) but all of the other stuff is weird as fuck. Accompanying him to the toilet really? What the fuck
BlueImagination 12 points 3y ago
Hi there. This is absolutely not cool by any human standards and you have every right to feel weird.

The only thing from this story that vaguely related to proper custom is that, when using sighted guide (letting a blind person hold your arm to guide them), it's best practise to let your arm hang by your side naturally. So holding it down and relaxed as opposed to bent at the elbow or flexed stiff and straight.

Did this guy have a cane? He should be (and probably is) supported by various services to become familiar with the routes he needs to travel, including where he can go to the bathroom. He's also old enough to know how a cubicle works.

This guy absolutely took advantage of his condition to get you to cross boundaries out of politeness. I would stay far away from him and ring his school to let them know as well. I hate to think what could happen if he approached another person who was less inclined to say no to his inappropriate requests.
fatgranolabar [OP] 7 points 3y ago
Hi thanks for ur reply! He had a cane and was very familiar with the surroundings at his station which weirded me out that he still required me to support him. I just called his school and they said they’ll contact me for more details!
coarsing_batch 2 points 3y ago
I am so sorry you had to go through this. This is a blind man who is using blindness as an excuse to molest women. I see this happen quite often unfortunately. Also, blind guys, put your dicks away and be reasonable human beings. You’re making the rest of us look bad. Especially the thing where he tried to convince you to go into the bathroom, the part about how big your chest was, and touching your hair. This is all incredibly upsetting to me, and people who are using their blindness as an excuse to be like that or at the lowest of the low.
WarriorPrincess31 9 points 3y ago
Hi there.
As a totally blind woman, I am really truly sorry that you experienced this.
Please know that this is not under any circumstances a normal encounter with a blind person.
Unfortunately, many blind people have kinks and/or fettishs, and because they are sheltered, they don't really have any place to explore or express those feelings/desires/thoughts.
Although it's true that as a blind person, one might get the feel for what you might look like by holding on to your arm, it was really inappropriate and weird for him to comment on your chest and your hair.
Sorry to be rude, but not all of us are fucking creeps.
I hope you are ok, and I hope this doesn't put you off from helping someone if they ask for help.
laconicflow 2 points 3y ago
I think many people, blind or not have kinks and fetishes. And, you know, I don't think being sheltered is anything close to a good enough excuse for what happened to op.
laconicflow 5 points 3y ago
I'm blind, and have been since birth, and the tldr here is that you met a major, major asshole who happened to be blind, and he used his disability as cover to sexually harass you, and frankly I wish someone would smack the shit out of him.

There is almost nothing appropriate about the story you describe. There are only two appropriate things. The first is asking you where a line is.

When I go into places I rarely go, I don't know where anything is, because I'm never there. I can't look around, so if I need a certain train, I know I'm going to ask someone who can see where to go, and if they'll walk me to the place I'm looking for, that's great for me it saves a lot of work and is genuinely helpful.

Secondly, it is appropriate, especially in loud, crowded places, for a blind person to take your elbow. Its the standard technique. I put one hand on your elbow and I follow you as you walk.

A normal person who isn't a fucking asshole would tell you you could put your arm to your side because sometimes people get weird with there arms, they think they have to hold them up or out or at other angles that I always assume are uncomfortable. I usually say, "Hey, you can just do whatever you normally do with that arm." The hole point of holding your elbow is I can follow the turns you make without paying attention and you can just walk without having to change much behavior.

But, because this guy was an asshole, he was telling you to put your arm to your side so he could cop a feel of some side-boob. To be clear, this sometimes happens because of where breasts are in relationship to elbows, I might ACCIDENTALLY brush you with a knuckle depending on where your elbow is.

It isn't weird that he noticed the size of your chest, speaking honestly, I notice physical features of women all the time. But commenting on your physical appearence is horribly rude.

If you and me spent a day together I would have a good idea of what you look like. I'm a guy, I'm blind, and I like women, so its natural that I use whatever information I glean to paint myself a picture, so to speak, but my making any kind of comment to you about it is just as rude as if some guy who could see was like, "You have a great ass."

And asking you what clothes you're wearing is, again, highly fucking inappropriate and pervy behavior. To be honest, that's information I might want, but, like driving a car, its just something I can't get because I can't see, and asking you for that information, given there's an obvious, like sexual component to it is, yet again, fucking barbaric.

And, further, all the bathroom stuff gets into an even less appropriate situation than we were already in!

Think about the female bathrooms you see. Even the big ones in train stations. It isn't a fucking maze! Its a bathroom! Its fine for me to ask you to show me the outer door, and have you wait nearbye, that's normal. But asking you to go inside with him is, yet again, highly inappropriate. I would rather die of kidney failure than ask something like that. . .

Op, what you really should have done is left him to fend for himself. He wouldn't have died and he was acting in such a disgusting manner that I feel something I've never felt before. Shame at being part of a group that has him in it. Almost none of what happened was ok. And, please, please, please, in the future don't hold a blind man to a lower moral standard than a man who can see. A lot of that shit he was doing was because he thought he could use his disability to get off, knowing that you'd stick around to help him. Feel free to just walk away. I apologize on behalf of my fucking people.

Edit. Oh yeah, and touching your hair is, to harp on a common theme, also total bullshit! I mean, hey, I'm blind, can I just grab your ass? The answer to that question is a resounding NO! It doesn't give me licence to paw at you like a monkey. A guy who can see gets to look at your hair, and go, "nice hair." And, the fact that I can't do that has nothing to do with you. This guy was imposing on you deeply.

My final thought is that it is very nice to help blind people! There are times I rely on the kindness of strangers! But he's a huge asshole! And if someone is being an asshole, tellem to piss up a rope!
cyclops32 1 points 3y ago
Thanks man, this is just about what I would have said, and it saves me the trouble of pulling out my keyboard, as I am waiting for my bus.
T L. DR. Only two parts of this is normal, and brushing up against breast is sometimes normal, but making a comment is not. Neither is wanting to touch your hair, face, or asking what you're wearing.
laconicflow 1 points 3y ago
That story made me sad.
bjayernaeiy 0 points 3y ago
Hey, I'm blind, can you let me stick a finger up yo.. oh wait nevermind.
cyclops32 1 points 3y ago
Not helpful.
laconicflow 1 points 3y ago
If only it was that easy.
CloudyBeep 5 points 3y ago
This person's behavior was unacceptable. If a sighted person had made such remarks, you would have moved far away or gotten off the train early. Disabled people are very capable of violence and tend to also be very good at persuasive communication (as you saw today). In future, treat people with disability as you would treat nondisabled people, which means being as defensive as necessary.
80percentaccurate 4 points 3y ago
It seems like the community has one hundred percent decided this guy is a creep, but what is worse, he knew what he was doing was wrong and apologized for some of it while still engaging in the behavior only to get worried you were going to get evidence.
I’ve experience people of all abilities being creeps as I am sure you have as well. Sometimes people have co existing conditions like autism that can make them come off as more creepy than they intend. I always try to give a warning. Something along the lines of, ‘What you are doing is completely inappropriate. Please stop. ‘ If that’s not enough I either get mean, or leave. Even people with social disorders know when to knock it off of you bring their attention to their actions. This guy sounds awful.
midnight-muffins 4 points 3y ago
That's just a creepy dude. Asking for help or for your arm is fine but asking to touch your hair is weird if you've just met
YashSonkiya 4 points 3y ago
no, that was not noramal in any sense. that guy was so weird.
Superfreq2 3 points 3y ago
Yeah, not okay at all. I hate blind people who take advantage of other's good will like that, they are societal leeches.
I don't care how starved for attention or borderline autistic he is, he obviously knew it was wrong by the things he said, and you don't need sight to understand basic morality. I don't know weather to feel more anger or pity towards this dirtbag.
I thank you for helping someone in need and for sticking with it despite how uncomfortable it was. You were not obligated to do so regardless of what general society claims in it's ignorance, but you still did a very cool thing and even if he didn't appreciate it, I do.
Gah, I need to go wash off this gross feeling now...
Fange_Strellow 3 points 3y ago
I’m just glad you didn’t go into the bathroom with him. Asking if you had a skirt and the bathroom thing; he had some bad intentions here.
bjayernaeiy 3 points 3y ago
What the fuck, what a creep.
oncenightvaler 2 points 3y ago
The young guy was certainly giving us a bad name, just an immature guy that will hopefully grow out of acting that way towards people. He was using his disability to be creepy towards you and I would never do something like that.
mutant_turtle 2 points 3y ago
Ew, such a creep
BlueRock956 2 points 3y ago
What would you do if a random person groped your breasts? Whatever your responce is, go ahead and do it on this person.
I'm sorry for what you went through, he had no right to touch you inappropriately.
bscross32 2 points 3y ago
Hell no, he was just being a creep like any other guy who acts like that, the only difference is, this one was a blind creep and was taking advantage of you.

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There is a technique called sighted guide in which the sighted person offers up their elbow to guide a blind person. That part is normal. The asking you multiple times to hold your arm close to your side, nah that's not normal and it's so he could cop a feel. I'm sorry to say but you basically got groped by a blind creep. it is something that quite frankly pisses me off, because we don't need that stigma attached to us as well. We do have our own sexuality like anyone else though, nothing is different in that regard.

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Him asking you what you're doing with your phone and other hand is just weird too. Some level of conversation is OK, but generally surface level stuff is a good place to start.

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The hair thing is odd too, we don't go around asking to touch people's hair and faces, despite the movies. We wouldn't ask what someone's wearing or ask them to take us into the toilet. Maybe show us where the bathroom is but then not go any further.

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Yeah this whole experience was just not cool. Also, I'd like to just tell / remind you that disabled people are and can be a threat, so if you want to be helpful, that's great, but never 100% let your guard down. We can still attack and fight someone if we had to, and this guy just seemed like he was up to no good.

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I'm sorry that you had to go through that. It seems like a violation of multiple counts. He basically couched sexual harassment / assault under a layer of pity for someone who is disabled.
rp-turtle 2 points 3y ago
Just adding my voice to the chorus here. That is disgusting behavior and shouldn’t be tolerated at all. Sorry your first encounter with a blind person happened to be with a totally gross creep. Like others have said, I hope this doesn’t negatively color your view of the community and thereby prevent you from offering help in the future. I agree with all the other comments condemning that guy. Glad you reported him!
Broken_Peepers 2 points 3y ago
Up front, the following is in no way an excuse for the guys behavior. In some cases, blind people have other issues related to intellectual abilities . So that is something to be aware of. This does not appear to be the case since the person was traveling, for the most part, independently. Like others have said, he certainly was acting inappropriately.
BlueRock956 1 points 3y ago
Please share the school's responce regarding this insident. Its important for the blindness community that things like these are addressed appropriately.
fatgranolabar [OP] 2 points 3y ago
Hi! So i spoked to one of the in-charge from his school and she thanked me for not reporting him to the police i supposed and not spreading it around. She told me that if it leaves a record, it could affect his future as he is graduating soon.

The following day, I had another phone call with the teacher on updates on this matter. I told her i had a feeling that this is not his first time committing this offence and she questioned if i found out about this from elsewhere. She admitted to me that he had previous offences from a long time ago and they thought he had change. I was quite shocked when she asked me if i found out about this elsewhere.

Then, the relevant figures from the school went to his house together with the counsellor to question him about what happened. They did not tell him directly about the incident but asked if he did anything wrong recently. At the start he was in denial and said he could not remember anything. After his teacher told him my version of the story, he started admitting his actions and how he had bad intentions. They told him his actions were wrong and you can guess the rest...
They have suspended him from going to school for now and will counsel him on this matter.

I asked to speak to the guy again and his parents. He apologised to me for his wrong doings but I was still livid as I am sure he will do this again. It seems like he isn’t very intelligent when I questioned him why did he repeat this offence if he was previously lectured about it. I asked if he would remember this incident forever and he said no quickly. When i conversed with him the previous day, he had some issues understanding a few english words such as “exposed”. Therefore, he might not have understand what i was questioning him about and replied me for the sake of replying.

I also asked to speak to his mother since his son could not quite understand what i was asking for. His mother was extremely remorseful and sad for what happened. If it matters, he has a lot of siblings (close to 10).Thus, i guessed that it has been tough on his mother to care for and educate all of them and even a son with special needs.

I also found out from his mother that she was actually there at the bus waiting area to pick him up. This shocked me as i offered to send the guy all the way to wait for his bus but he quickly denied and was very adamant that he did not needed my help. This showed me how he’s actually scheming and calculated on how he did not want me to bump into his mother.

Before the entire phone call, i was quite certain on reporting this matter to the police as i found out this is not the first time he has done it. But seeing how heart broken his teacher and mother was, i questioned if what i was doing would be good based on the situation of his family. Besides that, i also wondered if the police can do much about this situation as this incident is in a grey area. Coupled with the fact that he is blind and placed in “special needs” class. I doubt the authorities can do much about it.

As i frequent the route taken with the guy to go back home, i actually felt quite scarred to walk the same route and revisit the same places. Thankfully my friends were here today to accompany me back home.

Even though he did not directly grope me, it was the fact that we were so close, practically sticking next to each other for the entire 40mins that made me feel so uncomfortable about the entire situation. Even though the school claimed he has special needs, i am horrified by how smart he was by manipulating me with his words, slowly trying to gain my trust by saying how nobody wanted to help him and shoving tips to me and all the other stuff.

Please advice me on what I should do next.
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Winnmark 1 points 3y ago
Nah dude, that's a pervert, first and foremost.
Kylefornicationn -1 points 3y ago
First of all, I honestly think it is just offensive, seriously... “is this normal for a blind person?” Wtf? So your question is, are all blind people sexual predators? You had to come to reddit, to ask this? Are you a troll?
to answer your question: yes... as Men, lose their vision, it causes a chemical reaction in their brain... this is a phenomenon, that scientists simply cannot explain. Slowly, blind men, as their vision deteriorates, their moral compass fails them... to the point where they patrol the subway system to sexually harass/assault women... it is scary actually... I was a victim of this to be honest, I saw one of these assailants at the subway one day, and because I am a heavy set man with larger than normal man breasts, one of these predators mistakenly thought I was a woman and continued to violate me until he brushed my beard. It was traumatizing
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